Dogs again

One time last year, I was crossing a nearby park and heard a noise.

There was a Pit Bull charging me at full speed.

I didn't have my CCW with me -- should have I guess.

I was getting a bit worried until he stopped about 10 feet away and started wagging his tail and the whole back end of his body.

He was looking for some petting.

Would have been a shame to shoot him.

I'm a dog lover and agree with the comment there are very few bad dogs -- but a lot of bad owners.

I asked a friend who has worked at the SPCA for 15 years.

They run into aggressive dogs fairly often.

He carries a small compressed air horn -- tuned to a frequency that hurts a dog's ears. It stops the dog in his tracks.

Available in large pet stores
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Got it! So lets see...my edc has grown to include
-Keys
-Cell phone
-Firearm
-Flashlight
-Knife
-Pepper spray
-Air Horn
NOPE. I'll skip the last two and count on my firearm to do "double-duty".

I've used Halt a number of times and it has worked every time.
I used it ONCE against a Rott., while working for a utility. DIDN'T WORK AT ALL. Thank God for hot sticks.
 
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Dogs do not have tear ducts, so pepper spray will not be any more effective than a garden hose.

I sprayed a coyote with Saber Red and cured him of ever wanting to go around people again
 
No calls to the police, no paper trail. Suppressed .22LR, then bury it somewhere. Problem solved, no angry neighbors.

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04-25-2018 12:17 AM
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Good suggestion as long as no one sees you shoot, and the dog doesn't drop to the ground or run off yelping and squalling and bawling ( a very common occurrence ) if the brain is not hit.
Not to mention any enhanced legal repercussions that may arise from using a suppressed weapon to to kill someone's pet if killing an owner's dog is illegal in your jurisdiction.
 
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Good suggestion as long as no one sees you shoot...

No, it isn't.
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Several years ago I was cycling in a small town in Georgia. I was just entering a residential area, all of a sudden I was faced with about 6 dogs circling me on my recumbent trike. I pulled the HALT from the bottle holder on the right side of the seat and gave a shot in a sweeping up/down motion on my right. I then did the same on my left side, as I looked back to the right a very large dog had his head buried in the grass. The rest of the dogs backed away real fast as well. The next day I was entering the same area, I looked for the dogs that ran towards me the day before, the one that I saw with his face buried in the grass stood up did a circle on the porch and laid back down, the rest just laid there and not a single one let out a bark.

Unless the dog is trained to resist the pepper spray designed for them they will respond with no permanent damage to their eyes or respiratory system. If you use bear spray on a domestic animal you risk all kinds of legal problems, it can cause damage to their eyes.
 
Shooting a dog is a big responsibility. Almost like shooting a person.

My neighbor's dog poops and digs in my yard. It growls at me, but it's a wiener dog. If it came at me I would boot it into tomorrow. I thought about shooting it with a paint ball gun so it could go home with a splotch.
It's owner is a teacher who should know better. People should know better, but they don't.

I'm a bicyclist. We used to like in a rural area where people let their dogs run free - against the law. I used Halt on them. It is what the mailman uses. The trick with Halt is to let the dog get real close then give them a good dose right in the kisser. You have to hold off shooting until "you can see the whites obf their eyes." Wait until they are almost in contact distance. I've actually used it a good number of times and I can testify to it's effectiveness.
I assume you have talked with the owner & no joy. So live trap the dog, take it to the pound, hope the neighbor figures it out.
 
Dogs do not have tear ducts, so pepper spray will not be any more effective than a garden hose.

Dogs nose is hyper sensitive. Put pepper spray into the nostrils, dog will not generally continue to fight. Why it works on bears too.
I've been rushed by big dogs before. Get big, act offensively, usually works. Jave a backup plan if it diesnt, but I'm not shooting a dog that isnt actually biting me.
 
Pepper spray, including the stuff for bears, is one item or category of chemical irritant (basically). Mace, CN, and CS, are not the same as pepper, although I have heard of combinations of them with pepper. If one reads the package label with Mace (which IIRC was CS, although that has to be close to 30 years ago) it explicitly says to not use it if being attacked with any weapon, including feet or bare hands. That's a clue.

I think dogs do have a different structure in the various mucous membranes of the face, but not enough different that pepper won't work. It is not necessarily reliable enough, soon enough with a motivated/violent dog (or person) - which for the OP is not an option. Portions of seconds count.

Most pits, even if horrible with other dogs, are very friendly with people (See Call44's report above). What we see in problem dogs identified as pit bulls is often some mix, or another Molosser breed. Breed identity is not actually important - it is conduct. Contrary to the old folklore, pits don't bite harder than other dogs - bite force is a direct function of size, and their jaws don't "lock", either. They do, however, have the tenacity of the terrier breeds. Ever seen one of the other terriers on the hunt for rats, etc.?
 
Some folks say pepper spray just makes them hungry.:D

I have actual experience with the Halt spray. It is a low concentration pepper spray and it works great. I always let the dog get in close before I gave it to them.
A place where I used to live, dogs were an everyday thing on my bike rides. I got tired of them and got some Halt. They learned real fast and it does no lasting harm.

Too bad I couldn't spray some of the owners.:mad:
 
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I added a clip to my Halt can. The added clip allows the can to be hung from the belt the same way a gun would hang from your belt. That way I can draw and fire the Halt can quickly. With my clip the can hangs upside down and my trigger finger finds the can button just like it finds the trigger on a gun. If you use the plastic clip that comes with the can you have to fumble with it. Dog attacks happen quickly. I practiced with this just like we do with our CC firearms. It has worked for me a number of times.
 

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I would prefer to be worried & looking over my shoulder for a dog, whose threats are more predictable & less premeditated/malicious, than a neighbor that is seeking revenge, & could attack anytime/anywhere. I agree, if the known threat is a dog, I might be toting a shotgun, while taking out the trash. (possibly with a bean bag first up)
 
I added a clip to my Halt can. The added clip allows the can to be hung from the belt the same way a gun would hang from your belt. That way I can draw and fire the Halt can quickly. With my clip the can hangs upside down and my trigger finger finds the can button just like it finds the trigger on a gun. If you use the plastic clip that comes with the can you have to fumble with it. Dog attacks happen quickly. I practiced with this just like we do with our CC firearms. It has worked for me a number of times.

I carry the Mace pepper pistol in a holster.

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Dogs do not have tear ducts, so pepper spray will not be any more effective than a garden hose.

I have used pepper spray on a dog, he rolled on the ground in agony. I actually felt sorry for him, but I was not going to suffer a dog bite.

I used my googlefoo to find that dogs do indeed have tear ducts.

Eye Discharge or Epiphora in Dogs
By Ernest Ward, DVM

Epiphora means an overflow of tears from the eyes. ... The tear ducts drain tears into the back of the nose and the throat. Epiphora is most commonly associated with insufficient drainage of the tear film from the eye. The most common cause of insufficient tear drainage is a blockage of the lacrimal or tear ducts.

Eye Discharge or Epiphora in Dogs | VCA Animal Hospital
 
Speak with your neighbor about your concerns.

Two things will happen...

First, you will be cussed out with a lot of F words and told not to 'tell me how to keep my dog, he's a member of this family!', then you'll be told to 'get off the property right now'

Secondly, anything that happens to the dog will be blamed on you, now that the neighbor knows you have a problem with their dog. Dog gets sick? YOU poisoned it. Dog gets hit by a random car on the road? YOU ran it over....and now you've got a neighbor out to kill you.
 
Two things will happen...

First, you will be cussed out with a lot of F words and told not to 'tell me how to keep my dog, he's a member of this family!', then you'll be told to 'get off the property right now'

Secondly, anything that happens to the dog will be blamed on you, now that the neighbor knows you have a problem with their dog. Dog gets sick? YOU poisoned it. Dog gets hit by a random car on the road? YOU ran it over....and now you've got a neighbor out to kill you.

Perhaps. But I believe it would depend on what was said when approaching that neighbor.
Imagine if he said something like - "I'm a dog lover, and I see that obviously you are too. I'm concerned that someone who has less love of them might harm your dog when he is running unrestrained in the neighborhood, out of fear that he's a danger to them or their children.
I just though you might want to consider....."

If approached in such a fashion and he/she STILL responds as you suggested?...well then you know you're dealing with a totally unreasonable person and the chips should fall where they may if the dog ever attacks.
Cross the aftermath bridge when you get to it.
 
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