Dogs again

[Cal44]

Two things will happen...

First, you will be cussed out with a lot of F words and told not to 'tell me how to keep my dog, he's a member of this family!', then you'll be told to 'get off the property right now'

Secondly, anything that happens to the dog will be blamed on you, now that the neighbor knows you have a problem with their dog. Dog gets sick? YOU poisoned it. Dog gets hit by a random car on the road? YOU ran it over....and now you've got a neighbor out to kill you.

Maybe.

But it's still worth a try.

Talking is better than shooting.

Even Kim Jong Un figured that out.

 

[max503]

Maybe.

But it's still worth a try.

Talking is better than shooting.

Even Kim Jong Un figured that out.

I vote for staying off their radar screen. There's too many unreasonable people in the world. Irresponsible pet care is a symptom of that.

 

[Smoke]

It is MANY times more potent than any pepper spray.

Actually bear spray is about half the strength of police issue OC spray because less irritant effect is needed to deter the bear.

I've posted a video of a coyote pup biting me here before. What the video doesn't show is that I pulled out my Sabre Red after he bit me and sprayed a spritz on the ground in front of him. I didn't even get any on him. The smell alone was enough to run him off. Which was good for him because my next step was to drop kick his little ***.

I came back the next day and as soon as I got out of the car he ran and hid behind a tree

 

[Smoke]

If you use bear spray on a domestic animal you risk all kinds of legal problems, it can cause damage to their eyes.

Can you cite a legal precedent for this please?

 

[Gripgrabber]

Hello, I too have had a dog charge in my rural yard before! About 30yds away I saw 3 large dogs, 2 white pits(color not race)and a shep, so we’re both frozen looking at each I yelled what are y’all doing, suddenly the pits charge, the shep right behind them, no barking just growling, FYI I love dogs, the pits were beautiful(I thought of Petey) I had just enough time to pull out my NAA 22mag and put a round in the ground just in front of the pits, lucky for me the turned away and ran into the woods! They were running so fast they couldn’t stop but made a wide turn away from me. It happened so fast I don’t think making a spray available would have worked. Now I am never without a handgun outside, especially on a walk or yard work.
I do keep a can of wasp spray handy (it sprays a stream about
20’)
Semper paratus

 

[Cal44]

Hello, I too have had a dog charge in my rural yard before! About 30yds away I saw 3 large dogs, 2 white pits(color not race)and a shep, so we’re both frozen looking at each I yelled what are y’all doing, suddenly the pits charge, the shep right behind them, no barking just growling, FYI I love dogs, the pits were beautiful(I thought of Petey) I had just enough time to pull out my NAA 22mag and put a round in the ground just in front of the pits, lucky for me the turned away and ran into the woods! They were running so fast they couldn’t stop but made a wide turn away from me. It happened so fast I don’t think making a spray available would have worked. Now I am never without a handgun outside, especially on a walk or yard work.
I do keep a can of wasp spray handy (it sprays a stream about
20’)
Semper paratus

Does anyone have any info on how wasp spray worked on a large dog?

I know it works on wasps, as I've used it many times and never been stung.

But does it work quickly on a dog?

And does it poison the dog so it ends up dying later?

It is poison, after all.

Somehow I have a hard time thinking of poison as a self defense weapon.

 

[Chief Wiggums]

I carry the Mace pepper pistol in a holster.

I am sure that mace pepper pistol is effective , however the appearance is that of a ……….. pistol
potential to easily be mistaken as a …..pistol

many bad things can happen...….

 

[Watchdog]

Want to argue about dogs?

This may or may not be pertinent to this "discussion". Details are vague at the moment.

I won't comment on it other than to say...well, no, on second thought, I really won't comment on it.

One killed, two wounded in argument over dog in Fort Meade, Florida.

 

[Mainsail]

I know it works on wasps, as I've used it many times and never been stung.

If you were standing in your garage and the wasp spray was the only thing within reach, I think you'd be ok using it defensively. Carrying it around may be another matter.

Some of us are recommending the bear spray because the nozzle is designed to lay out a wall of spray instead of a stream. The stream must be aimed at, and connect with, the face of a moving animal- not so easy. The fog type of nozzle on the bear spray puts out a force field between where you're standing and the animal, such that it has to run through the pepper fog to get to you.

The downside to any spray is the wind- and especially with a fog type of spray. It may come back at you.

Wasp spray offers no advantages over a pepper spray- the cans are bigger and harder to carry, spray button is not designed to immediate use, and spray a stream of chemicals that may or may not do the job. If the dog were to suffer some permanent damage you could be on the hook for it; not because you were defending yourself, but because you choose to deploy a chemical agent that wasn't designed to do what you used it for (total theory though, not a lwayer).

 

[nachogrande]

MORE CHLORINE FOR THE GENE POOL.

This may or may not be pertinent to this "discussion". Details are vague at the moment.

I won't comment on it other than to say...well, no, on second thought, I really won't comment on it.

One killed, two wounded in argument over dog in Fort Meade, Florida.

NOT THE BEST PLAN. Wait until 1:30 AM to confront a neighbor (with 2 buddies for "moral support") about a dog problem??? What could possibly go wrong here? Dollars to donuts it took some liquid or chemical courage for the three to confront one.

 

[Ziggy2525]

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The downside to any spray is the wind- and especially with a fog type of spray. It may come back at you.
...

Good point about the spray coming back. If you have asthma or some other form of COPD, better to stick with lead based repellents (9mm, .45).

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Wasp spray offers no advantages over a pepper spray-
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Thanks to the magic of the internet, there appears to be no shortage of people willing to make a video of themselves doing stupid things.

On YouTube, there are videos of people that have had themselves sprayed in the face with wasp spray and pepper spray to see the difference. Other than probably exposing themselves to some type of chemical carcinogen, the wasp spray didn't have any immediate effect. Probably wouldn't on dogs either.

 

[Mainsail]

Thanks to the magic of the internet, there appears to be no shortage of people willing to make a video of themselves doing stupid things.

There's some anti-gun clown running for office somewhere who doesn't believe in arming school personnel against active shooters- he believes pepper spray is the solution. To demonstrate its effectiveness he allows someone to spray him in the face with a healthy dose of pepper spray...

Either he's too much of a fool to realize (or isn't a fool but thinks you are too much of a fool to realize) the comparison between him politely standing in one spot allowing someone to spray him in the face with at least a ten second blast and a young person with a gun moving and resisting the application is not apt.

 

[686-380]

With the scenario the OP presents, I'm all for the SSS (shoot, shovel, shut up) plan of action. Of course, as long as the owners don't witness the event.

I would also lay out a general plan of action for legal action against the owners if they do happen to see what their negligence has wrought. People like that don't deserve to own a goldfish, much less a canine.

Mace/wasp spray depend too much on the whims of Mother Nature for my liking.

 

[Minorcan]

Does anyone have any info on how wasp spray worked on a large dog?

I know it works on wasps, as I've used it many times and never been stung.

But does it work quickly on a dog?

And does it poison the dog so it ends up dying later?

It is poison, after all.

Somehow I have a hard time thinking of poison as a self defense weapon.

The legal issues are using a product in a manner contrary to the label. In the case of wasp spray a toxic product which has different use and misuse penalties. Use violations may not come in to play but a descent lawyer can make a case. They love making money by confusing people with science.

Here are a couple boring links;
Regulatory Information by Topic: Toxic Substances | Regulatory Information By Topic | US EPA

Regulatory Information by Topic: Toxic Substances | Regulatory Information By Topic | US EPA

 

[ladder13]

Control your mutt at all times, otherwise........

 

[JH1951]

Living with neighbors and their kids, pets, habits, etc. is an art and a science. Some folks are better at it than others. Some folks are blessed with good neighbors, or very few of them that are a long distance away.
One of many solutions is to relocate. It is not always feasible, and would be a last ditch maneuver for most of us.
In this case, considering all the concerns about neighbors over the last several years that the OP has posed, it may be worth a consideration. But prior to that, I would consider trying to figure out how to better live with people and maintain my own sanity. There have been many, many suggestions provided to the OP over the last several years concerning 'neighbor relations', and I am not certain this forum is the best place to get the best advice, considering that we are not for the most part in the same jurisdiction, and do not know the whole story. There has been a lot of good advice, and some rather bad suggestions as well. Please be careful which route you take. And before taking any, seek legal counsel from an expert that is well versed in the legalities surrounding your jurisdiction. This will not be inexpensive, but will cost a lot less than taking action based on some of the helpful suggestions that have been offered up.
I wish you good luck with this situation and hope you find peace in the near future.

 

[686-380]

Although I have to agree, this forum may not be the best place to find your solution, it provides a broad base of experience to draw from.

I also hope you find a little peace.

 

[Watchdog]

Does anyone have any info on how wasp spray worked on a large dog?

I know it works on wasps, as I've used it many times and never been stung.

But does it work quickly on a dog?

And does it poison the dog so it ends up dying later?

It is poison, after all.

Somehow I have a hard time thinking of poison as a self defense weapon.

Like all insecticides, wasp spray is poison. That's why they're called insecticides...they kill what they come in contact with.

Insecticides are labeled as poison on their containers. Consumers are warned to keep children and pets away from them and treated areas. Some insecticides even warn consumers to wear a mask and gloves when using them.

Someone would have to be a total jerkwad to deliberately spray a dog, or any other animal, with poison.

 

[Whitwabit]

Definitely.

Wise counsel. I would suggest the smaller canisters of bear spray as they tend to put out a greater volume of product with a larger cone. You may not be super accurate and with the smaller-stream sprays there is a better chance you might miss.

the smaller cans of mace are for disabling a human .. with an animal you want the animal to be able to leave the area .. that's why Bear Spray has a lower pepper rating then the ones for humans which will disable them ..