Drivers license/CCW connected?

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I found out something today that I have wondered about since 1996. Today a lady officer stopped me for making a left turn on red, the only problem was she was meeting me and said I didnt have a green lite, but I did and wife witnessed that the lites being green so I got off with out a summons. When she brought my drivers license and insurance card back she said I see you have a concealed carry license are you carrying now? No I said I only carry when I'm on a trip of a few miles. Its funny but I never knew that they could cross reference from a D.L. Has any one else ever had this happen? Jeff
 
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They are connected in WA, but we do not have to inform we are carrying as you do in some states.

bob
 
deadin said:
What if you don't happen to be carrying at the time?
Do you have to inform them you aren't?
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I don't know if I have to, but I do. Our LEO's have enough to worry about and I figure declaring "I want to tell you that when you run my license, you'll see that I do have a Concealed Carry Permit. But I am not armed today" - will make it easier on them. It makes that walk back from his/her cruiser to my truck a little less stressful - for both of us, come to think of it.:cool:
 
Florida - no. I read that it happens in so many places I asked a cop friend of mine.
 
I'm curious from a Law Enforcement standpoint what you carrying with a permit has to do with running a red light. Why aren't they stroking out your ticket and saying have a nice day? Why are they even asking? What bearing does your carry permit have on the entire situation? Any pull over is a potential trouble situation, but I would think by the time your driver's license is already out and run through the computer that the situation is well in hand and almost over. So I'm lost why a CCW permit or your carry status would even be brought up???
 
About 10 yrs. ago they changed the way permits are viewed as far as privileges. It used to be a permit holder could buy a gun and not need a NICS check and take the gun home at time of purchase. A three part form was filled out at time of purchase. The purchaser got a copy, the shop retained a copy, and the PD from the city or town or rural area got a copy. The local PD was supposed to maintain sort of a running monitor thru the state PD on your legal right to have the permit. The local PD was "supposed" to return their copy of the purchase receipt within six weeks. Money to finance this mess was never allocated to the respective depts.. So the whole thing was dropped, and NICS checks are now required. Under the old system a couple of the more liberal cities tried to use the receipts to build a gun owner library, so to speak. That was/is illegal. Although it's not required I'm told by friends on local PD's that they appreciate bring notified of guns on your person or in the car if your stopped.
 
Maximumbob54 said:
Why aren't they stroking out your ticket and saying have a nice day? Why are they even asking? What bearing does your carry permit have on the entire situation? Any pull over is a potential trouble situation, but I would think by the time your driver's license is already out and run through the computer that the situation is well in hand and almost over. So I'm lost why a CCW permit or your carry status would even be brought up???
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I was wondering the same thing.What are they going to do if you are carrying legally?Arrest you?Ask to see the gun?Take it?Check it for ammo?
 
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cowboy117 said:
I was wondering the same thing.What are they going to do if you are carrying legally?Arrest you?Ask to see the gun?Take it?Check it for ammo?Jeezus.
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Your attitude about offering the info voluntarily might be affected by where you live. 4 officers in Chicago were essentially executed in separate incidents last year. I live in Indiana but 3 miles from the Illinois line, and maybe 12 miles from the south end of Chicago. Police here are well aware that not so nice guys regularly enter this city. I would just say it's a courtesy. If you live in Open Pants, Nebraska maybe attitudes are different.
 
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"Why" doesn't matter. (Or as Judge Judy says: "I don't care how you feel. That has no bearing").

If you're in Ohio and carrying, you are obligated to declare. It's the law.

I guarantee that if you don't declare and a LEO sees a gun butt in your waistband, the questions will get harder - and in a hurry.
 
Maximumbob54 said:
I'm curious from a Law Enforcement standpoint what you carrying with a permit has to do with running a red light. Why aren't they stroking out your ticket and saying have a nice day? Why are they even asking? What bearing does your carry permit have on the entire situation? Any pull over is a potential trouble situation, but I would think by the time your driver's license is already out and run through the computer that the situation is well in hand and almost over. So I'm lost why a CCW permit or your carry status would even be brought up???
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If I had to stop people, I'd want to know as much about them as I could before I walked up to the car. Wouldn't you?

In Michigan, if you're "detained" by LE while carrying on a CPL, you are required to "immediately" inform them. The officer has the right to secure your firearm during the stop, but they typically don't. I'm sure it depends on the reason for the stop. This requirement was written into our Shall Issue Law and you agree to those terms when accepting the license. It's kind of like when you join this forum, you agree to follow the rules.

If you are illegally carrying, there's no requirement to incriminate yourself, but it is a crime to give false statements.

Ps. It's best not to stick your head out the window and yell, "I have a gun"!
 
In Ohio, the CCW is linked to the DL. In the early days of Ohio's CCW law, I was told that the CCW notification came up on their screen the same way the they are notified of felony warrants. I guess it made traffic stops interesting.
 
Maximumbob54 said:
So I'm lost why a CCW permit or your carry status would even be brought up???
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Although not required the Florida officers, especially FHP, really appreciate knowing they are dealing with a good guy. At least that's what they told me when I asked. Stops are a dangerous thing here along the I95 drug corridor so why not make their day just a little more stress free and pleasant.

Bob
 
deadin said:
What if you don't happen to be carrying at the time?
Do you have to inform them you aren't?
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In NC, yes, you would be in violation. If you have engagement with an LEO, and you are a concealed weapon permit holder, you inform that you are a permit holder. This even includes if the LEO asks you a question as you are walking down the street...
 
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My understanding on the requirements in NC are that you must inform if you are carrying concealed prusuant to a permit when "approached" by a LEO. (A check of your NCDL will indicate if you are a permit holder.)

I don't think we have a definition of what "approached" means from any appealent courts yet. Does that mean meeting on the street, or does it require some official interaction or detention? In my courtroom, and I would hazzard to guess most others, it required "official interaction". Otherwise you might be required to yell across the street to the officer walking in the opposite direction in the downtown area "Mr. Officer, I'm carrying a weapon!" :eek:

There is no requirement to inform if you are open carrying, or if you are a permit holder who is unarmed.

Of course that is just my understanding as a permit holder, and retired judicial official, and the way it was enforced in my jurisdiction, and other jurisdictions I had contact with across the state. I am not licensed to practice law or give legal advice, so in NC follow your own understanding. :cool:
 
Afrancis said:
Anyone know about WV?
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Your WV CHL is not linked to your WV DL, but WV State Police have a CHL database and any LEO inquiry will get a quick reply from them.

WV is not a Duty-to-Notify state, but my LEO friends tell me it is an appreciated courtesy if you are carrying, so I probably will if I ever get stopped.

I live on the boarder and travel in Ohio often, which is a Duty-to-Notify state and has a lot of other weird laws, so I try to stay legal for Ohio and I'm legal in WV, which has far more sensible gun laws except for a few cities we are trying to "educate". :D

For more info about WV gun laws, check out West Virginia Citizen's Defense League. You don't have to be a WVCDL member to ask questions.
West Virginia Citizens Defense League (WVCDL)
 
bk43 said:
Although not required the Florida officers, especially FHP, really appreciate knowing they are dealing with a good guy. At least that's what they told me when I asked. Stops are a dangerous thing here along the I95 drug corridor so why not make their day just a little more stress free and pleasant.

Bob
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Because the one and only person that I have met handed the FHP both his driver's license and his CCW permit and was asked to please step out of the car, put your hands on the roof, spread your legs, his pistol was taken from him, he was handcuffed, and sat in the back of the car until his paperwork was I guess processed. He was given his pistol back with and empty magazine and a zip lock bag of his ammo and told thank you for your patience. I told my friend he should file a harassment charge at the officer, but he was just glad it didn't go further than that. I didn't want to crawl him any worse than he had just got but I was mad for him all the same. So despite being told in the CCW class that I went to that we "should" notify, I'm not sure if I will or not. But I also won't be flashing either. I completely understand that police have to worry about potential confrontation but the level of treatment that you risk by trying to be honest has created a feeling or borderline desire to be dishonest at times. So I feel backed into a corner of "Darned if you don't and Darned if you do…"
 
In OK, 10 people had their CHL revoked in 2010 for failing to notify the officer on a traffic stop, as required by state law.
 
West Virginia - JohhnieB has already answered the question, but based on our state alone, as an NRA instructor I advise people to not mention it when pulled over unless asked, or unless one is asked to step from the vehicle. Most of the time it's simply not an issue.

Many times when writing up an accident or a citation I have seen the WV State Police ask the participants to have a seat in the patrol car; I, for one, would certainly not want it to be at that point that the trooper found out I had a concealed weapon, even though legally carried.

Naturally, I also inform students that if they carry into a reciprocating state that recognizes/honors their WV permit, they are subject to the laws, regulations, and practices of the host state.
 
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