Dusted off the 442UC and Underwood 150 gr. Wadcutters

While I used to carry a M60-7 for SD, I haven't in 5 years. When I did, I would carry the Buffalo Bore +P 158 grain SWCHP-GC which is the hottest 158 gr. 38 spl. commonly available. I had confidence in that. Prior to that becoming available, I would use the Remington +P "FBI Load". While certainly no powerhouse, it did get the job done in most instances.

Every Wad Cutter I have ever shot was aimed at a paper target. Not that I'd want to be hit by one, but IMO they are not the best for SD. Yes, better than a knife but they won't expand and because of their shape, penetration might suffer a bit.

Over the last decade or so there have been a bunch of newcomers to the ammo marketplace. I am not saying none of them are good - but I personally tend to stick with loads that have been around for a while, street proven and L/E approved. Using untested new loads are to me a little of a performance question not to mention leaving me with a feeling of not knowing how it will perform. In each caliber there are usually proven street loads - that's what I'd stick to.

I "liked" your post because the Buffalo Bore load you cited is, imo, the best 38spl load available. I carry them in my 357s most of the time too.

And I think their standard pressure version is good to given the soft lead, gas checked bullet.

But wadcutters are a viable defense option with reliable and consistent penetration and a decent wound cavity for the 38spl and probably the only viable option for the 32 S&W Long.
 
One should keep in mind the difference between wadcutter loads. A typical .38 wadcutter target load is one thing. A hotter load with the same shape and probably different composition is another. Lots of savvy cops have carried J frames with target wadcutters over the decades. I would consider such adequate if analysis took me that way. I would seriously consider a load like the Lost River .32 if I owned one of those Lipsey project guns. Nothing against that platform, just not a good fiscal choice for me right now.
 
... I personally tend to stick with loads that have been around for a while, street proven and L/E approved.

That is why I am okay with .38 Special 158 grain LRN.

If LSWCHP or just LSWC is available those are good too. If the Arthritis gets really bad in the hands a Match 148 HBWC will do.
 
158 LRN has been LE proven to be so far from acceptable that I hope that post was sarcasm. SWC and WC are far better performers.
 
Time for a little education on wadcutters.

This quote /opinion is something I hear often from people who really don't know much about the topic.

"but IMO they are not the best for SD. Yes, better than a knife but they won't expand and because of their shape, penetration might suffer a bit. "



As a preface, I will say that I have a background not only locally and on the state level but also on the fed side as a firearms instructor as well as armorer, and did a fair bit of ammunition testing over the decades.

The whole reason why wadcutters have been traditionally chosen to be used in short barrel revolvers is consistency. Due to their barrel like profile they don't really expand. They don't need to. What they do is penetrate. They penetrate deep and straight. Extremely consistently, over and over.

Other designs like hollow points have proven over the years to be very sporadic in terms of expansion from 1& 7/8ths" revolvers. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Also, their penetration tends to be inconsistent as compared to wadcutters. The wadcutter is not trying to open up to work. It is simply cutting a cookie cutter hole, driving a consistent depth into its target.

As far as "what LE carries", Wadcutters have been carried by smart cops for many decades. I carried wadcutters my entire career in my J Frame 442, as did many of the more switched guys who carried J Frames. Fortunately I had good mentors who showed me "the way".

Now with that career behind me, I own a small custom ammo shop and sell more wadcutters to folks carrying small revolvers than any other type of revolver ammo.

You really don't need to push the wadcutters into +P range either. In fact it is counter productive, as it makes the gun simply harder to shoot quickly and accurately. However John Q public is typically poorly informed and usually will buy whatever is fastest thinking that is "bestest" without ever actually doing any personal performance testing. If they went out and did some tests with a timer they would quickly see that they were slower with the +P ammo in a J Frame, due to the nasty sharp recoil, and would be far better off with standard velocity. Good quality center mass hits matter, not making noise.

My old 442 has many miles on it now. Over 7K rounds through it, since it was given to me as a graduation gift from a state police academy. It got carried daily, used as a teaching gun and served me well.


It is a little rough cosmetic wise, but it is like a very trusted old friend.

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Not too long ago I did a project with Lispey's and created a new wadcutter load specifically for the new Ultimate Carry .32 H&R J Frame. It is a 100 grain Wadcutter. Long story short, it has been immensely popular. In fact when the guns were released at SHOT this year it got crazy here and I have been trying to keep up with demand since.

The little 432 is an amazing little J Frame and I keep it loaded with wadcutters as well. In fact it has been riding in my pocket daily. LOVE that gun and the WCs penetrate between 22 and 24"s which is plenty.

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Long story short, Wadcutters Work, and they work great. :)

Hopefully this will help someone.
Im really glad you are making these and hope you will sell enough to make them very profitable. My edc is an LCR .327 loaded with your wadcutters, plus 2 speed strips with them also. I hope the UC 432 and other .32 models will be successful so many varieties of .32 ammo will become more readily available and affordable.
 
Another wadcutter vote for the snubby. These are Underwood rated at 1000 FPS. Still controllable as the bullet is lighter than the hot 158 grain LSWCHP +P that is my other .38 Special load.
 

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