Every one of your posts has more misinformation than the previous one. Please stop because you have no idea what you are talking about.
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ChattanoogaPhil
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The newest Ebola case will be taken to Atlanta.
CDC Chief says that Dallas was using "makeshift protective measures" and were "increasing the risk of contamination".
Isn't this the same guy who said Dallas was prepared to properly handle this? Now he describes Dallas as a makeshift operation.
CDC Chief says that Dallas was using "makeshift protective measures" and were "increasing the risk of contamination".
Isn't this the same guy who said Dallas was prepared to properly handle this? Now he describes Dallas as a makeshift operation.
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venomballistics
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Logic does not support that.
if it's incubating, its there to transmit.
Might take some extra effort to do so, perhaps even highly unlikely acts, but I'll take that with a grain of salt.
reading through more of the World Health Orgs stuff raises a concern....
While they are bickering about the nonsensical minutia, what's being done to keep it out of the food supply? and has ANYONE seen or heard ANY PSA's advising against consumption of any meat, cooked to less than well done?
Has anyone seen any PSA's covering the disposal of dead critters?
Anyone understand the roots, purpose, and current importance of the fine sport of varminting?
If so ... how many have you bagged so far?
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The newest Ebola case will be taken to Atlanta.
CDC Chief says that Dallas was using "makeshift protective measures" and were "increasing the risk of contamination".
Isn't this the same guy who said Dallas was prepared to properly handle this? Now he describes Dallas as a makeshift operation.
"the horn on the bus goes beep beep beep"
A regular Baghdad Bob isn't he?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAeMtcURg0
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There is no reason for a positive pressure suit. None of the infectious disease training I had, which included Ebola and other hemorrhagic diseases included that. We were trained to use N95 masks and were fit tested for using them. We also were trained to use Tyvek suits, double glove, eye protection, and use care in doffing our gear after patient contact.
Here is a picture of a couple of my former co workers transporting a patient from Logan Airport.
https://www.facebook.com/4519921615...41843.451992161541265/758729897534155/?type=1
They're the guys in yellow, the patient is in white. The hospital police officer is in his regular clothes.
A friend of mine works at a Boston hospital and he was designated to be in charge of one of the other patients from the airport. There were two reasons for that. First, he's had more training than most of the other nurses. Second, he was the only one that didn't panic at the thought.
There's a lot of bad information out there, and a lot of bad information in this thread.
None of which is to say I have any confidence in the CDC to deal with this. Good procedure when dealing with any infectious patient is sufficient to deal with potential exposure.
Here is a picture of a couple of my former co workers transporting a patient from Logan Airport.
https://www.facebook.com/4519921615...41843.451992161541265/758729897534155/?type=1
They're the guys in yellow, the patient is in white. The hospital police officer is in his regular clothes.
A friend of mine works at a Boston hospital and he was designated to be in charge of one of the other patients from the airport. There were two reasons for that. First, he's had more training than most of the other nurses. Second, he was the only one that didn't panic at the thought.
There's a lot of bad information out there, and a lot of bad information in this thread.
None of which is to say I have any confidence in the CDC to deal with this. Good procedure when dealing with any infectious patient is sufficient to deal with potential exposure.
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I wish that characterization was an over exaggeration, sadly it isn't.
CDC expert is a moron. Standard infectious disease precautions say mask, goggles, headgear. Foot coverings are optional, but I'd say prudent.
venomballistics
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And that is why he needs to resign.
His incompetence has directly endangered two medical professionals.
We can't win this without them.
There is misinformation, bad information and spotty information.
some of which is understandable. This is not a particularly common affliction like strep, which has been studied extensively.
There is more to learn about it.
Then there is us, the common folks, who are told it's here, and has spread to two medical professionals.
We see some contact tracking, and quarantine procedure, but nothing else that the WHO has clearly outlined.
So .. what can we, the common folk, do to help?
CDC hasn't even told us to wash our hands
Yes we can. Actually, we're better off without them. Infectious disease control is pretty straightforward.
Dallas Pres. is not the place I'd want these patients. They just aren't equipped and their staff is not trained to handle this.
They aren't the only one. I just got an email from one of my bosses. Some of our client FDs and their base hospital are concerned because they are not trained or equipped to deal with this. That's despite the fact that the state requires them to have infectious disease procedures in place.
The part I blame the CDC for is not reinforcing that there is a serious threat of this sort of thing here. Not over the past month, but over the past ten or so years. They are more interested in liberal social engineering than dealing with serious medical threats.
Again, I'll stop before I express political opinions.
venomballistics
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Yeah, the bike lane project here is some of that handywork.
only real health increase from that is observed in the auto body repair segment.
only real health increase from that is observed in the auto body repair segment.
Nigeria, which has had previous Ebola outbreaks and is a poor and over-populated country, is reported to be effectively managing this neighboring threat; apparently by quarantining exposed persons for treatment into isolated Ebola "island" hospital facilities.
From one of Venom's earlier threads, WHO has recommended:
"Community engagement is key to successfully controlling outbreaks. Good outbreak control relies on applying a package of interventions, namely case management, surveillance and contact tracing, a good laboratory service, safe burials and social mobilisation."
I am imagining the ramifications of such an approach to Ebola outbreak(s) occurring over here. And I'm not liking it. However, the current approach to letting local hospitals deal with it as best they can obviously isn't working. No solutions offered; just uninformed and potentially alarming expressed concerns.
I am washing my hands a lot more and have laid in a good supply of Purrell. Makes me feel like I'm doing something, anyways. -S2
From one of Venom's earlier threads, WHO has recommended:
"Community engagement is key to successfully controlling outbreaks. Good outbreak control relies on applying a package of interventions, namely case management, surveillance and contact tracing, a good laboratory service, safe burials and social mobilisation."
I am imagining the ramifications of such an approach to Ebola outbreak(s) occurring over here. And I'm not liking it. However, the current approach to letting local hospitals deal with it as best they can obviously isn't working. No solutions offered; just uninformed and potentially alarming expressed concerns.
I am washing my hands a lot more and have laid in a good supply of Purrell. Makes me feel like I'm doing something, anyways. -S2
From my observations, bike lanes give a false sense of security to bike riders. It's a pretend barrier that does nothing.
venomballistics
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Sure it does something. It cludges up traffic at intersections causing a higher rate of bent metal and growth within the collision repair industry.
venomballistics
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WHO also notes that the cycle starts with human/ critter contact.
This would seem to include handling or eating Un or under cooked meat.
No rare steaks till it's clear.
Varminting is a sport born from early disease control methods.
Still seems reasonably valid today in my way of thinking.
Those might be two more things we can do to go along with making Howard Hughes our role model for a while.
southcoast
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Would you please be so kind as to quote the misinformation you allege I provided?
Sure, easy.
And this,
Every word of both posts is full of foolishness. Industrial strength foolishness for that matter. Cite one piece of science that quarantining a whole state is even the least bit indicated.
southcoast
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While you may not agree with what I wrote as is your God given right, stating I gave misinformation is inaccurate. I know you have been a member here for some time and usually post pretty objective, accurate, and useful information. I do respect your thought process. However, I would challenge you to cite me one piece of peer reviewed published science that proves quarantining a state would do more harm than good.
venomballistics
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man power makes this impracticable, though I understand the idea.
Science generally doesn't do experiments to prove the null hypothesis. Which is what you are asking me for. There is no evidence to prove that quarantining an entire state does anything positive because no one has ever done that. The reason is that no one has ever thought it might be effective.
You quarantine people who pose some risk of spreading the disease. The two infected people are in Dallas, I fail to see how quarantining Amarillo will prevent the disease from spreading.
What you propose is the medical equivalent of Captain Renault ordering his officers to "Round up the usual suspects." It will use a lot of resources, cost a lot of money, and give the appearance of doing something while doing nothing.
If I didn't know better, I'd think that you were the head of the CDC in disguise.
You quarantine people who pose some risk of spreading the disease. The two infected people are in Dallas, I fail to see how quarantining Amarillo will prevent the disease from spreading.
What you propose is the medical equivalent of Captain Renault ordering his officers to "Round up the usual suspects." It will use a lot of resources, cost a lot of money, and give the appearance of doing something while doing nothing.
If I didn't know better, I'd think that you were the head of the CDC in disguise.
MrJT
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Yes... Because nobody who was in the city and made contact could have possibly left the city... Lockdown would definitely work.
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