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however relevant that may be ...
Had it not been for Tesla, The whole of the EV scene would be best represented by the Nissan Leaf. Tesla pushes the envelope of EV tech when no one else will. Respect them.
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however relevant that may be ...
Had it not been for Tesla, The whole of the EV scene would be best represented by the Nissan Leaf. Tesla pushes the envelope of EV tech when no one else will. Respect them.
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They have to sell them to someone. If they had to depend on the free market for EV sales, they would go bankrupt.
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Instead we'll be dependent on the Chinese for batteries. I really don't see the environmentalists letting the US strip mine lithium ore, let alone smelting it in this country.
Approximately 750,000 were sold in 2022, and ~257,700 so far sold in 2023 in the US alone, so somebody's out there seems to be interested in buying EVs…
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Chevy is selling more Volts than people buying from Tesla…
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For those who like to rag on the Prius, the latest version is getting rave review. The larger gas engine doesn't seem to have affect economy to any significant degree and the performance and battery capacity have been drastically improved.
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That sound like a lot but it's only about 2% of new vehicle sales. Most people who I see buying EV are the ones who have to be the first on the block to have the latest tech and don't use it for a daily commute. I know it's anecdotal but the other thing I have found is that they only buy one. When they're done with it, it's back to conventional vehicles. The only reason that EV's are persisting is that the Govt. is propping it up. In fact Ford just asked for another 750 million in tax breaks for their new battery plant that has yet to go on line.
Give it some time! In 2017 Chevy sold ~3,000 Volts to Zero Teslas being sold…
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Now THIS is a hybrid! Porsche's Elephant.
US Government has been investing in 3D printing of rare earth metals that goes into manufacturing Lithium-Ion batteries for cars…
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If you listen to the people who are spewing the nonsense, they better hurry because we only have about 10 more years until the poles melt and the world ends.
Because those two trucks were foisted upon the users without their input, without any numbers to justify the purchase, without any plan and probably no budget or training to successfully operate and maintain them, and it's a waste of taxpayer money if they'll be obsolete in four years. That's a virtue signalling, check-the-woke-box-on-my-performance-appraisal action, and besides being no way fiscally responsible, it's also disgusting pandering to TPTB.
I guess it depends on who's spewing the nonsense, those that see a future for EVs and Hydrogen powered cars, or those that think the Earth has an unlimited supply of Fossil Fuels…
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Very true. But that's the point. We have no 220 plug in's. Yet
From what??????
Charging station locations within the United States and Canada…
( Alternative Fuels Data Center: Electric Vehicle Charging Station Locations )
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( Alternative Fuels Data Center: Electric Vehicle Charging Station Locations )
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AFAIK the Volt is mort, twice, do you mean Bolt?
And long cue lines at gas stations mean what exactly! The nearest Buc-ee's near me is more than 70-miles away…
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Hydrogen and the EV's that are using plug in recharging are two different things. Especially when you consider hydrogen combustion engines. When you talk about unlimited fuel supplies, hydrogen is about the only thing that comes close, at least on this planet. That includes lithium. Unless someone can rewrite the laws of physics and comes up with a power source that doesn't consume anything, your EV's are just as dependent on a finite source of fuel as oil driven machines. And we won't even get into the source of power to charge the battery. The problem that we have with EV's now is that a segment of government/business has figured out how to harvest money from the concept. The media has helped to perpetuate the hype, take advantage of a low information population and put forward a narrative that a technology that is not adequate to meet the need is the answer. People buy into it, because, hey, who doesn't want to save the planet and here we are. In the mean time, politicians get richer, business get richer, tax payers get screwed and the problem never really gets fixed.
With what exists now, electric can work for most folks in most places. The EV owners I know are happy.
The last time I had to wait in a long gas line, Jimmy Carter was still president. I doubt there's a Buc-ee's within 1000 miles of me, but somehow I refuel quickly and easily.
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Well, unless we want plastic for the interiors. Or tires . . .
One of the big factors with auto's has been a resale value or 60% or so after 42 months. Who will want a car with a worn out battery at 5 years of age? What will happen when the trade in is 20% or the dealer agrees to take it and not charge you the Haz Mat fees?
Again, the folks I know who have EVs like them. Experience trumps speculation for me.
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....and the radical reduction in sales from the 2022 to 2023 model years is a strong indicator that most are growing wise to the shortcomings of this technology. Bud light was howling over a 20% drop in sales ... you just showed us a drop of over 60%
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... and those folks that have spent stupid money on sets of vac tubes for guitar amps claim the sonic differences to be "night and day", yet they are never able to actually demonstrate it.
While an argument for dynamics might be real, the claims of sonic shift are often little more than someone sandbagging the truth to guard their egos.
I'll take my electronics experience and laws of physics over human manipulation
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