Electric Vehicle Stupidity - Update Post 288

[BC38]

At what point does anyone find new technology practical! Y can't achieve practical without taking chances…


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True. Discovery and development of new requires taking risks.

BUT, you can't FORCE people to adopt the impractical by ELIMINATING the practical alternatives for something as essential as transportation.

You can't simply make everyone take the "chance" that technological advances MIGHT someday make it practical.

That makes NO sense.

 

[GaryS]

Ironically, the same people who are in favor of EVs are the people who are opposed to expanding and hardening the grid.

The only reliable and clean source of electricity is nuclear.

Some think that carrying a generator is a joke but the wife's cousin carried one when traveling in his Lightning. Normally he could make it to the coast and plug in when he got there. But once there was a very strong head wind and very hot so AC ran the entire time. He had to pull over and waste 2 hours with his plug in generator in a parking lot. He sold it. When you type in charging stations you get 100's of locations. Most are level two with 6.6KW to 14KW which are a joke, very few 150KW to 350KW. Most people do not understand that a Tesla charging station draws as much power off the grid as a 200,000 sqft Wal-Mart Super Center. Until we find a way to produce more energy Hybrids are the way to go.

 

[GaryS]

It was only a matter of time before AAA did this. The problem is that they can put 5 gallons of gas in your tank in about two minutes, but they can't put 5 gallons of electrons in your battery in the same time.

Yeah, I know that's not how electricity is measured, but you get the point.

Toyota was a pioneer in hybrid technology and they still think that hybrids are the more viable option. At one time GM was in on hydrogen power cells, but they seem to have swallowed the EV Koolaid now.

There are other's options.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

The original turbojet developed by the Germans had a lifespan of ~10 to ~20-hours, now it's in the thousands of hours! Who and/or when decides it's practicality…

Obviously, you do. Only you want to place your bet with OUR money, rather than your own.

 

[CA Escapee]

How much tax money do they generate for the government when filling the battery?

I just read an article yesterday where Texas is going to tax EV owners $400 initially and $200/year to register their vehicles to cover the loss of gas tax revenue.

They and other states will make up for lost highway tax revenue somehow.

 

[Chuck24]

The original turbojet developed by the Germans had a lifespan of ~10 to ~20-hours, now it's in the thousands of hours! Who and/or when decides it's practicality…


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Had much more to due with poor quality of available materials than the turbojet technology.

 

[biku324]

Nope, I didn't "forget" anything. You were talking about MAINTENANCE costs, so that is what I addressed.

Your numbers of $40-$60 for 600-1200 miles don't add up. How can it cost $40 to drive 600 miles but only $20 more if you drive twice that far? For the math to work it would have to be either $40-$80 or $30-$60 - assuming that either of your numbers are accurate. Let's assume best case scenario and it is $30-$60, shall we? That makes the annual cost $360-$720 for "fuel".

A hybrid that gets 40mpg around town and 50mpg on the highway - call it 45mpg average, that drives that same 600-1200 miles on gasoline at $3.59 per gallon (AAA national average as of today) will spend $48-$96 per month or $576-$1152 per year on fuel.

So your EV saved $216-$432 per year on fuel. BUT WAIT, to get that "savings" you have to install an EV charger so you can charge at home. What is the cost of an EV charger? To get a charger that will fully recharge a mostly depleted EV battery overnight you need a 240v circuit. With permitting, labor, materials, AND the charging station itself that is going to run you at least a couple of grand. OOPSIE, there goes 4-8 years worth of your fuel savings!

All I know is what the kids' electric bill went up from before they had the Leaf. It's been $40 to $60 monthly. I'm sorry you can't accept what they really pay. Their long-range car is a hybrid (they're on their 3rd) and they are well aware of fuel and maintenance costs for each.

Their 220v in-home charger cost them $629 installed in 2018.

Experience trumps speculation.

 

[CA Escapee]

Waiting for EV threads to join COVID, open carry, bear gun, and other similar topics . . .

And I'm waiting for the 9mm vs. .45 ACP articles to circle back.

 

[Secundius]

Had much more to due with poor quality of available materials than the turbojet technology.

Or the fact that when the first turbojet was developed that mankind only had a rudimentary understanding of what materials would be needed to actually produce one! If it wasn't for post war investment, the world would still be flying in planes using technology that was developed in WW1 (i.e. the radial engine)…


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[Chuck24]

And I'm waiting for the 9mm vs. .45 ACP articles to circle back.

What's the best EV caliber? (Couldn't resist)

 

[NYlakesider]

The original turbojet developed by the Germans had a lifespan of ~10 to ~20-hours, now it's in the thousands of hours! Who and/or when decides it's practicality…


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Which EV manufacture has them in their car?

 

[DWalt]

I just read an article yesterday where Texas is going to tax EV owners $400 initially and $200/year to register their vehicles to cover the loss of gas tax revenue.

They and other states will make up for lost highway tax revenue somehow.

That is a given. There are EV taxation schemes at every level of government now in the oven. The states and the feds will always get their slice of the tax pie. The idea of taxing initial EV purchase and an EV surcharge for annual registration renewal appears to be the way it will go. The only unknown will be by how much.

 

[venomballistics]

Or the fact that when the first turbojet was developed that mankind only had a rudimentary understanding of what materials would be needed to actually produce one! If it wasn't for post war investment, the world would still be flying in planes using technology that was developed in WW1 (i.e. the radial engine)…


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sounds a bit like a fart in one hand, and a wish in the other.
Might help to stick to known technologies with at least proof of concept prototypes and samples.
while the Jet engine had a pathway forward, as well as turbochargers to base it off of cold fusion did not. the jet engine worked, came into regular use and general acceptance ... cold fusion fell on the floor and faded away as the fraud it was.
There's a lot of stuff we want to believe. whether or not hard reality will support that belief is another matter.
I'll give EV's their cred where it is due. I've embraced it in the RC aircraft hobby. I'm waiting for UPS to drop off an order of new batteries to replace some of those that just won't get it done anymore. That's the inescapable reality.
I'd like to hold out for some of the glass or ceramic substrate types, but the only ones out there are evaluation samples and very hard to find.
even still, I can get cells that can be charged in 30 minutes with ample margin for safety, yet folks are somehow thrilled that the same cells charge over night or longer in a car.
They could fast charge in a half hour too, but it's bottle necked at the power supply, and so few seem to understand that.
even at a technological level that would give us a cell that could be charged in 10 minutes, the power to do it just is not there

 

[venomballistics]

What's the best EV caliber? (Couldn't resist)

I'll start with 45-70 ...
I'd ask for recipies, but given some of the battery fire reports, they appear to be self cooking.

 

[venomballistics]

The maintenance mentioned is keeping the charge between 20% and 80% for maximum life.

Since I don't have a crayon to write this, know that EVs do not need oil changes/filters, transmission fluid drain/refill, differential drain/refill, fuel filter R&R, engine air filter R&R, engine radiator/anti-freeze service.

But those maintenance-heavy EVs need you to look at the charge occasionally and check air in the tires. And maybe a battery pack sometime in the 2030s.

My next vehicle will be the Ford EV pickup.

with a claimed range of 149 miles for the leaf, limiting it to 60% for "maintenance" leaves it at 90 mile range and up to 12 hours charge time at level 2.
This might work out for a daily commute and even a run to the store after work. but it'll be tethered to the garage any other time, preventing having any kind of life outside the home / work routine.
I'm simply not boring enough for this.

 

[Engineer1911]

Electric vehicles & practicality

The original turbojet developed by the Germans had a lifespan of ~10 to ~20-hours, now it's in the thousands of hours! Who and/or when decides it's practicality… Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Better high strength, heat resistant nickel alloys made the jet engine practical. It is doubtful that there will be a high density car battery that lasts years, recharges over night, and does not have a 5-figure replacement cost.

Golf carts are an example of a 300 lb. power plant: storage batteries and electric motor or gasoline tank, engine, and clutch package. Electric cart will go 36 holes of golf (maybe) about 7 miles at best. Gas golf cart will do 36 holes for 3 days without refueling, about 20 miles. Either cart has a top speed of 15 MPH, so take your time.

It is difficult to beat the energy density of gasoline.

 

[biku324]

with a claimed range of 149 miles for the leaf, limiting it to 60% for "maintenance" leaves it at 90 mile range and up to 12 hours charge time at level 2.
This might work out for a daily commute and even a run to the store after work. but it'll be tethered to the garage any other time, preventing having any kind of life outside the home / work routine.
I'm simply not boring enough for this.

Who said anything about 60%? They charge it Sunday nights and Wednesday nights.

They bought the car for their boring work commute.

 

[cmj8591]

All I know is what the kids' electric bill went up from before they had the Leaf. It's been $40 to $60 monthly. I'm sorry you can't accept what they really pay. Their long-range car is a hybrid (they're on their 3rd) and they are well aware of fuel and maintenance costs for each.

Their 220v in-home charger cost them $629 installed in 2018.

Experience trumps speculation.

So they need two cars because the EV doesn't work for long trips?

 

[DWalt]

My vehicular travel these days is ordinarily limited to a trip maximum of 30 miles, usually less and not every day, but rarely more than 150 mile one way. I would be the ideal candidate for a plug-in hybrid vehicle. But that's never going to happen as it is not economically feasible to ditch a perfectly adequate and dependable ICE vehicle which has long been paid for and then pay maybe $30-40K for a new low-end Hybrid just to save a few bucks on gas.

 

[Muss Muggins]

What's the best EV caliber? (Couldn't resist)

Is an EV good to go after it hits a bear?