Element of your Concealed Carry equipment?

[lrrifleman]

Between various threads on the forum, my concealed carry classes, and various programs that I have attended, it seems that when you have to employ your concealed firearm, he who gets arrested tends to be who calls the police last. I was curious how many members here that carry make a cell phone part of your concealed carry gear?

 

[silversnake]

I'd consider it pretty much a requirement at this point. Going to be more difficult to articulate that you felt your life was in danger if you didn't dial 911 as soon as it was safe to do so.

 

[Smoke]

I'll walk out my door without a gun before I'll walk out the door without a phone.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Seen many pay phones lately? Can't dial 911 before or after I have to defend myself or if I witness a crime/emergency.

 

[InsideWaist]

I voted "No" because it has been a part of my everyday "carry" before (and after) I got my CCW license. It's like asking us if our car keys are part of our concealed carry equipment. Or our wallets.

 

[Dvan34]

Most definitely. Don't leave home without it, along with your EDC. An extra measure of protection when traveling on the highway. Especially these days.

 

[Warren Sear]

I try to keep my equipment load to a minimum. Although I usually have a knife and a cell phone in my vehicle, I do not regularly carry either.

I too have heard the saying, "he who gets arrested tends to be who calls the police last", but that does not make any sense to me at all. The police are not stupid, and I feel confident they determine what happened and make any necessary and proper arrests 90% of the time, or more.

 

[RobertJ.]

I have a phone so my wife can contact me, or vice versa. All other purposes are secondary. However, I do think they're extremely important as far as self defense/concealed carry goes, and I'm more likely to not have a gun than my phone. But I always have both.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

Personal cell phone and work cell phone.

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[BAM-BAM]

I generally have a cell phone on me or in the car/truck....... I'd rather call 911 than draw my gun ....... and if I have to I still need to call 911.

At minimum one needs to report an.... assault

 

[forrestinmathews]

I try to keep my equipment load to a minimum. Although I usually have a knife and a cell phone in my vehicle, I do not regularly carry either.

I too have heard the saying, "he who gets arrested tends to be who calls the police last", but that does not make any sense to me at all. The police are not stupid, and I feel confident they determine what happened and make any necessary and proper arrests 90% of the time, or more.

So you're completely comfortable with a thin blue god figuring out what happened and deciding your fate? I, for one, am not. I'd like to assist those folks in determining the truth of the situation as much as I am able. People relaying information to the responding officers are listened to with far less scrutiny than someone at the scene. So let's tell our side of the story to the dispatcher and have the cavalry more likely to believe us when they come riding to our belated rescue.

 

[Cal44]

I always carry a cell phone when armed.

I've even left home without my gun because I forgot to charge my cell phone.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Between various threads on the forum, my concealed carry classes, and various programs that I have attended, it seems that when you have to employ your concealed firearm, he who gets arrested tends to be who calls the police last.

Well... if you get into a gun fight and the other guy ends up to be the one who calls the police afterward... uh...

 

[RalphK22]

I'll walk out my door without a gun before I'll walk out the door without a phone.

Really? Not me, I'd rather have a gun.

 

[JLPiccard]

I know I am a member of US Law Shield, and they regularly hold seminars in our area with program lawyers and other legal experts. What they advise is if you are in a situation where you have to draw and defend yourself is to call 911 as soon as safely possible, saying that you have been the victim of a home invasion, burglary, or whatever the situation may be, and that shots have been fired and medical assistance will be needed. Then describe yourself and clothing and give the location and hang up at that point. Then, the next call you make (for US Law Shield members) is the number on your membership card to the program lawyer. When the police arrive, cooperate but preserve your 5th amendment rights until the program lawyer arrives on scene. He / She will take it from there - getting your story and managing communication with the police. That's one of the things I like about this program - you have a complete plan and know just what you need to do if you end up having to draw.

Obviously, for this to work, you need to have a phone with you at all times.

 

[Arik]

I don't know about part of concealed carry gear but gun or not I always have my cell phone. I've had it before I owned guns and especially now when a phone is more than just a phone

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[Arik]

So you're completely comfortable with a thin blue god figuring out what happened and deciding your fate? I, for one, am not. I'd like to assist those folks in determining the truth of the situation as much as I am able. People relaying information to the responding officers are listened to with far less scrutiny than someone at the scene. So let's tell our side of the story to the dispatcher and have the cavalry more likely to believe us when they come riding to our belated rescue.

I guess it would depend on where you are and how you present yourself. A guy in a suit and a dead crack head..... I doubt the cops are thinking the guy in the suit was trying to rob the crack head! Usually the bad guy has a criminal history. Now if you have two Bubbas going at it.....who knows, right?



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[Warren Sear]

So you're completely comfortable with a thin blue god figuring out what happened and deciding your fate? I, for one, am not. I'd like to assist those folks in determining the truth of the situation as much as I am able. People relaying information to the responding officers are listened to with far less scrutiny than someone at the scene. So let's tell our side of the story to the dispatcher and have the cavalry more likely to believe us when they come riding to our belated rescue.

Read my post again, please. You are mis-stating what I wrote. Oh, and drop the drama too.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I don't know about part of concealed carry gear but gun or not I always have my cell phone. I've had it before I owned guns and especially now when a phone is more than just a phone

Right.

I use my smartphone for a myriad of things everyday, navigation, music, stock trading... on and on... and sometimes even to make a call!

I mean... it's not like I'm thinking I better not forget to carry my smartphone in case I get into a gun fight today.

 

[M1A]

I do not carry a cell solely because I am armed. I have it for what ever I choose and any emergency, large or small, that might arise.
As we have seen at any happening, it will be recorded by multiple cells and multiple calls beside your own.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I guess I don't understand. My kids carry cell phones . . .

 

[forrestinmathews]

I guess it would depend on where you are and how you present yourself. A guy in a suit and a dead crack head..... I doubt the cops are thinking the guy in the suit was trying to rob the crack head! Usually the bad guy has a criminal history. Now if you have two Bubbas going at it.....who knows, right?

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Not all cases end in administered deadly force leaving the offending individual dead or even shot.
Example A: Heaven forbid I miss and that miss instantly turns a deadly threat into a passive non-threat that has an articulate and vastly different story than mine when the police arrive. How hard is it for someone to have a plausible explanation for interaction with you and being in that area? A smart crook could have this loose end tied up. I try to never underestimate what I may be up against.
Example B: Worse still, I shoot and wound some "pillar of the community" that screams bloody murder and no longer poses a threat. Now I've got a screaming perp and a crowd of "witnesses" with a vastly different account of what really happened.
It isn't all sunshine and lollipops. It sucks and you had better get used to suboptimal situations, outcomes, maintaining a solemn attitude and an infinitesimal amount of patience. I shoot a lot and have a high skill level with a handgun, however I am prepared to deal with something other than a one shot stop. I also cheat and bring a second responsibly armed person with me a lot. Drives my odds of survival/AVOIDANCE way up and there's always two stories that match.

 

[Arik]

Not all cases end in administered deadly force leaving the offending individual dead or even shot.
Example A: Heaven forbid I miss and that miss instantly turns a deadly threat into a passive non-threat that has an articulate and vastly different story than mine when the police arrive. How hard is it for someone to have a plausible explanation for interaction with you and being in that area? A smart crook could have this loose end tied up. I try to never underestimate what I may be up against.
Example B: Worse still, I shoot and wound some "pillar of the community" that screams bloody murder and no longer poses a threat. Now I've got a screaming perp and a crowd of "witnesses" with a vastly different account of what really happened.
It isn't all sunshine and lollipops. It sucks and you had better get used to suboptimal situations, outcomes, maintaining a solemn attitude and an infinitesimal amount of patience. I shoot a lot and have a high skill level with a handgun, however I am prepared to deal with something other than a one shot stop. I also cheat and bring a second responsibly armed person with me a lot. Drives my odds of survival/AVOIDANCE way up and there's always two stories that match.

But what did those people do to deserve to get shot?

There also what called an investigation. It doesn't just go by who called first. Why was the pillar of the community shot? What did he do?

A smart crook is probably already known to the police and if it's in my house he's he better have the deed to my house

Show me where a criminal got off by calling the police first

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[Muss Muggins]

With all that angst, you probably should carry pepper spray. Or maybe a stick . . .

Not all cases end in administered deadly force leaving the offending individual dead or even shot.
Example A: Heaven forbid I miss and that miss instantly turns a deadly threat into a passive non-threat that has an articulate and vastly different story than mine when the police arrive. How hard is it for someone to have a plausible explanation for interaction with you and being in that area? A smart crook could have this loose end tied up. I try to never underestimate what I may be up against.
Example B: Worse still, I shoot and wound some "pillar of the community" that screams bloody murder and no longer poses a threat. Now I've got a screaming perp and a crowd of "witnesses" with a vastly different account of what really happened.
It isn't all sunshine and lollipops. It sucks and you had better get used to suboptimal situations, outcomes, maintaining a solemn attitude and an infinitesimal amount of patience. I shoot a lot and have a high skill level with a handgun, however I am prepared to deal with something other than a one shot stop. I also cheat and bring a second responsibly armed person with me a lot. Drives my odds of survival/AVOIDANCE way up and there's always two stories that match.

 

[forrestinmathews]

With all that angst, you probably should carry pepper spray. Or maybe a stick . . .

Haha, I'm not going to be carrying pepper spray, but a stick would be great if I were hiking. A futile attempt to illustrate situations where we could possibly be not the only voice in the ear of those asking questions during an investigation. I forget that we are all accosted by crackheads whilst in suits that drop dead as yesterday's news with one shot from the mousefart carry load of the week. I'm realistic about the sequence of events.

 

[78bagger]

I was always taught that I must exhaust all other means before using deadly force. Az has really fair gun laws but there is a requirement that must be fulfilled. And when the cops show up, the shooter will be the first one in cuffs. Good shoot or not. Ask me how I know.

 

[M29since14]

I try to keep my equipment load to a minimum. Although I usually have a knife and a cell phone in my vehicle, I do not regularly carry either...

Sounds familiar, though I do carry a small pocketknife every day. I know where my cellphone is (or think I do ) about 50-75% of the time - usually in the car.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'm realistic about the sequence of events.

Would that we all had that foresight . . .

 

[BSA1]

I am surprised that no one has mentioned the second most important reason to have a cell phone...

It is to photograph the crime scene and witnesses.

After calling 911 I am not calling a lawyer. I am using my cellphone camera and video to document evidence and anyone standing nearby. Evidence can be picked up by someone and disappear before Police arrive. Likewise witnesses may not want to get involved and leave and other that were not present people can claim to be witnesses.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I would carry a cell phone whether I was armed, or not. I don't plan on being in a shooting, but am prepared. My cell phone most likely emergency use would be if I had another heart attack.

As far as getting arrested, not my major concern, getting convicted is a major concern. My favorite attorney has given some good advice. First is KYBMS/Keep Your Big Mouth Shut. It is better to spend a few hours, or a couple of days in jail then years in jail. As far as staying in jail you are either justified, or you are not. Who makes the call makes no difference.