Ole Joe Clark
Absent Comrade
In the Old Man and the Boy, by Robert C. Ruark, the Old Man says: "I value your opinion, except when I know better. In this case I know better."
I agree.
I agree.
Elitists?
- Thread starter Kanewpadle
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It's important to remember that one can be elite without being an elitist. There are people who are really smart, really talented, or really good at doing a particular thing, which may make them elite in that area, but humility separates them from those who inflict their talents or opinions on others. They also know that there will always be someone to come along who is better than they are at whatever they do.
Interesting thread, I see myself in a lot of the postings here. As an aside I was once told by a supervisor (I refuse to use the term "superior") that I did not speak up enough in meetings. My observation was many spoke up when they actually added very little and just wanted to appear smart. I told her that I was given two ears and one mouth for a reason. We did not get along very well after that, but I got to retire.
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Rastoff
US Veteran
You need to spend time on some other forums. At least in my experience it happens everywhere.
Phil and I don't always agree, but we can discuss things like intelligent humans. This statement however, is probably the most concise and brilliant statements on this subject I've ever heard. I wish I had said it. I may have to add this to my signature.
Any supervisor that didn't like this response is not worthy of being a supervisor. I wish there were more that were quick to hear and slow to speak.
One last comment on...
I wouldn't insult a rat by making this comparison.A Chihuahua is a dog? I thought it was a large breed of rat...
Rastoff
US Veteran
Sir, we all are at some point.This term was used in a recent thread. It was a good observation I do believe.
How do I know this? Because I was one.Yup, I sure was.
The true test of character is based on how we react to adversity. When someone posts something incorrect, do you (anyone) respond by helping them learn or with condescension? Being able to correct someone gently is a skill. Being able to take correction gracefully is better.
In my martial arts school we say that reaching shodan (first degree black belt) doesn't mean you've mastered anything. It simply means that you've earned the right to begin to learn.
It took me a long time to learn that I didn't know much. Humility is something we either learn every day or never learn. You have found some humility. May it serve you well.
We all want...
If you want others to change their thinking, it's best that you start off by changing yourself.
If you want others to change their thinking, it's best that you start off by changing yourself.
Not Ginger.....
Mary Ann!!!!
Must be different in your neck of the woods. Around here, there's nothing but elitists.
"Glock is the only gun you will ever need"
"I only carry calibers that start with a 4"
"Ford! Chevy! No Dodge!
"You live where?"
"You do what for a living?"
"A chihuahua! Why don't you get a man's dog!"
It goes on and on. On a daily basis.
Mary Ann!!!!
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Two ways to look at this....
You should be judged by the value of your opinions, not the quantity.
BUT, as long as someone is adding any idea (not just running your mouth), no matter how 'bad', it helps the brainstorming process.
You should be judged by the value of your opinions, not the quantity.
BUT, as long as someone is adding any idea (not just running your mouth), no matter how 'bad', it helps the brainstorming process.
OP
I agree. But it's difficult to do with simple text.
OP
Tolerance, Humility, Self Discipline, and the ability to listen to another opinion or view point = wisdom (at least that is my opinion). Sometimes I tripped all over myself over past years but with age comes wisdom and with wisdom comes tolerance. Sure, I still have my own viewpoint on things but I will to listen to the other guy and see what he has to say - I may or may not agree but I don't have to be disagreeable to disagree.
THEWELSHM
Member
Must be different in your neck of the woods. Around here, there's nothing but elitists.
"Glock is the only gun you will ever need"
"I only carry calibers that start with a 4"
"Ford! Chevy! No Dodge!
"You live where?"
"You do what for a living?"
"A chihuahua! Why don't you get a man's dog!"
It goes on and on. On a daily basis.
I drive a 600 hp Dodge Ram SRT10 you wanna try it
Thewelshm
OP
I drive a 600 hp Dodge Ram SRT10 you wanna try it
Thewelshm
You're in Florida. Aren't you supposed to be driving a Ferrai or Lamborghini?
THEWELSHM
Member
You're in Florida. Aren't you supposed to be driving a Ferrai or Lamborghini?
I would but mine is quicker going to the hardware store
Thewelshm
shouldazagged
Absent Comrade
Thomas Paine said something to the effect (I'm paraphrasing) that trying to persuade someone whose mind is entirely closed is like administering medicine to the dead.
Mercifully, I don't find a lot of closed-mindedness, especially of the arrogant kind, here. Unlike what I saw on some forums I left behind when I found this one.
I do find compassion, support for people who hurt, wonderful (and very strange) humor, a lot of experience with guns and with life, technical knowledge, and knowledge of history.
Best of all, I find the hard-earned wisdom of others. I got two large doses of that from Kanewpaddle and Rusty on this thread.
I'll keep trying to live up to these high standards and learn from the wise people here.
Mercifully, I don't find a lot of closed-mindedness, especially of the arrogant kind, here. Unlike what I saw on some forums I left behind when I found this one.
I do find compassion, support for people who hurt, wonderful (and very strange) humor, a lot of experience with guns and with life, technical knowledge, and knowledge of history.
Best of all, I find the hard-earned wisdom of others. I got two large doses of that from Kanewpaddle and Rusty on this thread.
I'll keep trying to live up to these high standards and learn from the wise people here.
kthom
Member
I like and appreciate what you said, Sir! What Mr. Paine said would be very similar to the old familiar saying about "beating a dead horse', I think. Neither gets much results except frustration all around.
My dear old dad used to warn me about getting into a fight with a skunk. He said that when the fight is over, win, lose, or draw, nobody can tell you apart from the skunk. Like much of his advice to me, I had to learn that the hard way, but after getting my personal experience doing so, I found that, as usual, dad was right! Fortunately, skunks are usually fairly easy to identify from a distance ...
My dear old dad used to warn me about getting into a fight with a skunk. He said that when the fight is over, win, lose, or draw, nobody can tell you apart from the skunk. Like much of his advice to me, I had to learn that the hard way, but after getting my personal experience doing so, I found that, as usual, dad was right! Fortunately, skunks are usually fairly easy to identify from a distance ...
keith44spl
Member
Most all of my opinions are drawn from personal experiences,
And several self imposed restrictions of, "I ain't never gonna do that again!"
So, I rely solely on personal events and experiences, not some
mathematical statistical data skewed by of some self proclaimed
expert to achieve elitist statutes among the thronging crowds.
When one 'Hast been there and done that' it allows a sharper view
than through a pulp experience of some fiction hack's pen.
Self reflection, can be a true character builder.
As I once told my son, "You can BS your buddies...
But don't BS yourself, nor buy into your own publicity."
It's not the falsehoods nor lies told on one that matters most...
It's when they start telling the truth on ya!!!
That is All
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And several self imposed restrictions of, "I ain't never gonna do that again!"
So, I rely solely on personal events and experiences, not some
mathematical statistical data skewed by of some self proclaimed
expert to achieve elitist statutes among the thronging crowds.
When one 'Hast been there and done that' it allows a sharper view
than through a pulp experience of some fiction hack's pen.
Self reflection, can be a true character builder.
As I once told my son, "You can BS your buddies...
But don't BS yourself, nor buy into your own publicity."
It's not the falsehoods nor lies told on one that matters most...
It's when they start telling the truth on ya!!!
That is All
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I'll agree with that, I'm starting to see the term elitism used more and more, in the wrong context. The new catch phrase.
