Ever been bit by a Copperhead?.........

We are truly sons of Adam.The only subject producing more interest than snakes is women.I occasionally see a copperhead but much more often run across Canebrake Rattlers.During turkey season a few years killed three.I have not been bitten,however as walk-trotting in the bottom of a fire break plow trail,I suddenly stopped instinctively before I was aware of a difficult to describe buzzing all around me.I could not tell where it was coming from but was aware and anxious.My son behind me said "don't move,he is right in front of you".I looked about a step ahead and he was "in a pile" on the soil the fire plow had thrown up- higher than the top of my snake boots!Then I did get excited,but my pre-27 did it's job well.I was an exciting few seconds! In my rounds in the Intensive Care Unit the two sickest patients were due to snakebite.A large male suffered a bite from a 6 foot long Eastern Diamondback and when he arrived in the emergency 45 minutes later was unconscious and bleeding from every orifice. He had pulmonary and kidney failure in addition to bleeding everywhere to the point his entire body was as purple as a turnip.After several weeks of renal dialysis and ventilator treatment he survived.
The other was a women who spotted a Canebrake Rattler in her vegetable garden.She obtained a hoe and killed the snake but did not see the second one who bit her.She went in the house and called two nearby neighbors and by the time they arrived with EMS she was unconscious.It took her weeks to recover.
Stay alert and keep your distance.
 
On the subject of snakes...A Colorado Rockies pitcher, John Axford, had to leave spring training yesterday when he got a call that his two year old son was bitten twice on the foot by a rattlesnake. No idea where he was at the time or his condition.

Update: The kid is stable and they think they can save his foot but he might lose some toes. The Rockies train in AZ so that is likely where it happened.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/1...ever-john-axford-stable-condition-snake-bites
 
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armenius, what is the difference between a Cane Brake rattler and an Eastern Diamondback? (No, it's not the set-up for a joke, I really wanna know.) Acebow
 
Growing up in Florida the old axiom was...

"There are 286 varieties of snakes in Florida, 284 of which are poisonous, the other 2 just swallow you whole".

The latter are more of a problem since the proliferation of Burmese Pythons let loose by *&#*@#$ who bought em for pets.

Yep, I saw a video of the DNR trying to corner some type of large constrictor, maybe a python, in a boathouse. That snake was very cagey. I don't think they ever caught him, but they got a good look at him. He was about 12' and that's when they decided to come back with a stun gun of some type.
 
Canebrake - here is one on my wall

Crotalus horridus, commonly known as timber rattlesnake or the canebrake rattlesnake. This is the only rattlesnake we have in my part of the World. This is why I have carried a 44 for the past 37 years. # 9 shot in a 44 special does the trick, thanks to the 396 last summer, this one went on the wall also. 61" from tip to tip and 8 " around. One mean critter but is was no match for the "short barreled bad 44" that Marty Robbins sang about.
 

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In the rattlesnake roundups the contestants use tasers to shock the area of a bite. The electrical shock will neutralize the copper found in most venom that is a big factor to the bite severity.

Citation on the copper please. Nothing I've found has any mention of copper. Many different proteins, yes, copper, no.


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The only issue with disposing of a poisonous snake is the head, cuz of the fangs and possibility that venom is still present. Cut it off, bury it deep, and cover it with big rocks, unless you can burn it in your trash barrel. Others may have different methods. BTW: pigs love to eat snakes, as do some folks. They say it tastes like chicken, but I've never tried it.

If ever here in Texas. They have a yearly rattlesnake roundup in Freer,TX. They wrangle hundreds of rattlers,they also cut some up and cook them various ways. My bro in law said they do have a vague chicken taste but--are slimy. I refuse to eat meat that aint from a real chicken, turkey, cow, buffalo etc.
 
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My dad just used to shoot them, chop off their heads to burn in a barrel,then hang their skins on one of our wooden fences--and within a day or so--the skins would magically disappear. It turned out that he had made arrangements with one of out neighbors--to take the skins which he made boots and belts out of. He made a great-looking pair of boots for my dad from one or more rattlers he had dispatched to snake heaven.
 
Somebody asked the difference between a timber/canebrake rattler. The most important difference is in size. A big timber rattler is usually less than 4-5 feet long. A big eastern diamondback can go over 6'.
I have never been bitten by a copperhead, but I had one bird dog, a GSP, that was bitten twice. The first time was when he was young, and he was bitten on the lip. The second time he was bitten on the right hip when he was about 8 years old. The treatment in both cases was antibiotics, but no antivenin because too much time had elapsed between bite and treatment. In both cases the only effect of the bite was swelling, and that went away in less than a week. My observation is that copperheads are non aggressive, but make no effort to get out of your way. Rattlesnakes will get out of the way if they have time, and will usually rattle a warning. I haven't had enough personal experience with cotton mouths, but everything I have heard and read leads me to believe that they can be aggressive. Luckily, I am living back in upstate SC now, and the only poisonous snake in the immediate area is the copperhead.
 
armenius, what is the difference between a Cane Brake rattler and an Eastern Diamondback? (No, it's not the set-up for a joke, I really wanna know.) Acebow

The Cane Brake/Canebrake is a subspecies of the Timber Rattlesnake, Crotalus horridus. It differs mainly in that where the Timber version is tan and brown, the Canebrake is more gray and reddish brown. They do, as far as I know, have no difference in potential sizes. The Timber rattler was the one depicted on the Revolutionary War flag, Don't Tread On Me.

The Eastern Diamondback, (C. adamanteus, if memory serves) is a different, larger species. It is the largest rattlesnake. Generally accepted as reaching at least eight feet, one old photo shows some men holding one said to be eleven feet long. That would be remarkable today, if valid.

There are two genera of rattlesnakes, Crotalus and Sistrurus (sp?). There are additional species south of the US border, but I think they're all Crotalus, like Crotalus durissus, the main Tropical Rattler. Like our Mojave rattler and certain others, it has largely neurotoxic venom, of a very lethal order. The largest of this basic species is the Brazilian version, C.d. terrificus. The neck stripes help to distinguish these Tropical rattlers, but there are additional forms in Mexico and probably further south. There are additional pit vipers, some of the worst being of the genus Bothrops. Several are mistakenly called Fer-de-Lance, after one unique to Martinique, but they are very similar. B. atrox and B. aspis are examples.

Then, there are the nasty little arboreal forms, like the Eyelash Viper, so called because of erect scales that protect the eyes as they move through bushes. The main one, I think is Bothrops schlegeli, but I think the genus name may have changed since I memorized it. A Wiki Search should find them and photos. Bear Bio may know if the genus name was revised for those arboreal types.

The longest pit viper, although it lacks rattles, is the Bushmaster, Lachesis mutus. It is named for Lachesis, the mythical Greek Fate who snipped the threads of life for mortal humans. The species name reflects the lack of rattles, making the tail "mute". But it can vibrate the tail in dry leaves to create a menacing sound.

If you spend any time outdoors, I implore you to get a good snake guide and read it. My current favorite is, "U.S. Guide to Venomous Snakes and Their Mimics" by Scott Shoup.

For a more global approach, the US Govt. Printing Office may still have editions of, Poisonous Snakes of the World by Sherman A. Minton, Jr., MD, and others. Dr. Findlay Russell and other famed researchers contributed. Mine dates from about 1970. I hope it's still in print and has been updated, although it's quite thorough. It has color plates in the back and B&W ill. of many species. It is/was the US Naval medical manual for ID'ing snakes.

If you can find a copy of, Venomous Serpents of the World by Sherman A. and Madge R. Minton, you will have a chart in the back that gives the relative toxicity of many species. You will learn that the Cape or Yellow cobra needs just 15 mg. of venom to kill most 150 lb. adult male humans in good condition. The Black Mamba and the Egyptian Cobra need 20 MG. But the Beaked Sea Snake needs just 1.5mg, if memory serves, and the Boomslang is also exceedingly toxic. One killed US herpetologist Karl Schmidt in 1957.

Other bad actors include the Gaboon viper, although the Puff Adder is more numerous and likely to lie along paths much traveled, so it bites more people than the Gaboon or Rhino species do.

If you want to look these up, the common names will probably do, or ask me for scientific names. If I don't know, I can probably dig out a book and check.

As an aside, I was talking years ago to the Curator of Reptiles at a major US zoo. He told me that they'd traded off a Black & White Forest Cobra (Naja melanoleuca) because it was intelligent and tried to feint and when the handler countered with his snake stick, the cobra changed direction and tried to tag him. It was apparent that it was only a matter of time until someone was bitten.

I realize that this is a lot more than the member asked about, but it is my hope that it'll interest some here.

Venomous snakes are fascinating. One author described the European viper (Vipera berus) as "a running brook of horror." But many others are worse.

BTW, treatment at a US hospital involving antivenin can easily exceed $100,000. I have seen figures as high as $250,000. Be careful where you walk and avoid reaching into brush where you can't see well.
 
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Copperheads are a pretty mild mannered snake, till you put your hands on, or very near it. I've caught several over the years. I personally think, that its best to just leave them alone.
 
Hey Ringo Kid, what's "turkery" a cross between turkey and chicory?:D

If ever here in Texas. They have a yearly rattlesnake roundup in Freer,TX. They wrangle hundreds of rattlers,they also cut some up and cook them various ways. My bro in law said they do have a vague chicken taste but--are slimy. I refuse to eat meat that aint from a real chicken, turkery, cow, buffalo etc.
 
Several years ago the retired Chief Patrol Agent of the Havre sector was bird hunting on opening day of grouse season when the encountered a rattler, I don't know what variety, in the road, they were IN a vehicle. Being a Tejano, he was going to show how they picked them up in Texas, was promptly bitten, and passed away from the bite. I always thought it was a terribly stupid way to die, trying to show off.

Years ago a friend and I were bird hunting on a frosty Montana morning. I heard a buzz, heard my buddy cussing, and turned to see him trying to leap, shoot and cuss at the same time. He had stepped on a rattler that was so sluggish from the cold it didn't move fast enough to strike him. I killed it with a .22 I was carrying while my buddy did a shorts check. It was funny later over beers, but at the time he didn't find any humor in the situation.

I ran into lots of sidewinders in the desert while in the Patrol, and generally they went their way and I went mine, I did have an alien who was bit by one on the ankle that we had to take in for treatment.

I'll leave them alone if they do me, however, I have dispatched them when needed. I've had no dealings with copperheads, most of my time has been spent in rattler country, the ones I've encountered, I have heard ahead of time and knew immediately what they were.
 
I'd guess Ive tripped over 20 or so rattlers through the years,but the funniest had to be the incredible dance moves my bil did when we were wandering the prairie plinking pasture poodles.Picturea very large guy leaping straight up and pirouetting while making some sort of screaming noise followed by running this way and that followed by trying to shoot it with a scoped rifle.I kept a very straight face [emoji48][emoji56]
 
In my youth in NJ we used to walk the railroad tracks behind my friends house and there would be copperheads sunning on the rails or ties. We just usually picked up some stones from between the ties and heaved them at the snakes until they slithered off.

In college in southern PA we got called in several times to help fight local forest fires. One time while raking a fire line with a bunch of my buddies we looked down and the forest floor was alive with slithering snakes heading downhill trying to get away from the flames. Nobody got bit because the snakes were more interested in getting away from the intense heat than biting anybody thank the Lord.

Slightly off topic but during that same raking session the wind changed and the fire suddenly came at us at great speed. We were instructed to drop everything and run like hell. When we returned, most of the rakes were nothing but a piece of steel with either no handle or just a long piece of charcoal attached. :eek:

Don't like snakes and love living in MA and summering in Maine where there are no poisonous snakes. :)
 
Dad was hit on the hand by a 2 footer while cleaning a drain leading to a culvert. Overnight stay at the hospital with antivenin left him with no ill effects.

I've seen small cottonmouth that I thought were copperhead, to me, at least, they appeared similar. I guess water moc is the same.

While doing my thing squatting over a log in the Turner River area movement in the water showed a snake moving in my direction about 20 yards away. I could not see thru the reflection of sky in the water.

Since I was sort of enjoying the break in trek, my pants were over my knees to keep out of the water, TP and 12 ga. shells in the crotch to fiddle with whilst I pooped.

The ripple continued toward me and I started to think "naaaww". The distance halved and I began to consider my options. I did not want to shoot, I knew my brother and buddy would stop when out of sight and I knew approx. where they were, out of any line of fire, but I did not want disturb the peace in any case.

The distance halved once more and I stood and sighted in the shotgun. The toilet paper, loads and my pants all fell in the water. As I kept a bead on the head of the ripple I could finally see a banded water snake continue on it's way around me.

Finished out the day with wet pants and butt itch.
 

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