Ever been stabbed or slashed?

[vigil617]

Please let me clarify the so called "21 ft." rule.

Two thumbs up, Big Cholla, for this explanation of the widely-referenced "21-foot rule."

I had no idea when I posted this thread that it would elicit such a good explanation of where this all came from.

I've always thought that if an attacker was running at me, and I didn't know anything about it ahead of time, that I would have a hard time identifying the threat, deciding to act, drawing my weapon, and firing before he reached me in 21 feet or so. I don't train to do this, and I doubt many of us do. Your LEO training serves as a valuable, valuable lesson to us armed civilians, and believe me, I will add some sort of this training to my own regimen.

Thanks again, sir!

 

[BAM-BAM]

Thanks Big Cholla....... the "21 foot rule" isn't in itself "justification" to shoot someone with a knife....... to me....it's a "danger zone".......... based on the study (and what's been written about it); 21 ft (to me) would be the minimum buffer zone I would like to have around me... LOL...Not going to happen most of the time in real life.......

For concealed carrying civilians.....

I think it does mean you are,in all likelihood, not going to be able to stop an attack before the attacker gets to you..... and inflicts some major damage.

You are not going to be able to "fast draw" your way out of a close in attack.... and Big Cholla....is right it might be 8,10 or more yds not 7; if you see the attack coming......... move.... distance and time are your friends...

It may be partial justification for drawing your weapon when someone with a knife approaches you but is still 10 yds away.....if you see it coming try to maintain distance between you and an aggressor

There is no single answer or justification....of what to do and when to do it....and you will probably only have a couple of seconds,at most,........ to analyze, decide and act.

Did you see the video of the 4 officers attacked with an ax in the NY subway?

 

[SW01SS]

I carry a knife sometimes solely as a tool. Not so much for defensive purposes. I am simply not trained to fight well with it and wouldn't feel to comfortable whipping it out in the middle of a fight with someone. If I had training perhaps I'd feel different. But if I don't have a firearm on me I'm going to be relying on my fists and body and trying to get away as quick as possible.

 

[Muss Muggins]

If they do restrict the carry of a hammer, then a lot of handy men are going to the hoosegow. There's no real way they could police it.

Most old ladies I know carry a steak knife in their purses . . .

 

[John R]

I don't carry a knife. I've thought about it, but so far I haven't decided to.

The main reason is that I wouldn't know how to use it for self-defense, and would probably get myself cut with my own weapon if I tried it with someone who knew how to knife-fight.

So, I'm strictly a handgun guy for self-defense. That doesn't keep me from wondering, though, what it would be like to be attacked by someone with a knife.

Have you ever been stabbed or slashed in a self-defense encounter? What is it like? If I'm faced with it, what advice do you have if I'm not able to defend myself with my handgun? (I'll look up defensive techniques on my own, so no need to be too specific in your answer; I'm just looking for whatever common sense advice you have.)

Thanks for any enlightenment.

I agree, NEVER BRING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT

 

[one eye joe]

Know the "21 foot rule"........ someone charging you can cover 21 feet in the in the time it takes most people to draw from a holster.........add reaction time; this can be real long for the " this isn't happening to me is it!!!" crowd.

THE TRICK IS TO REACT QUICKLY ENOUGH WHEN CONFRONTED WITH A KNIFE WIELDING BAD GUY. KNIFE WOUDS HURT LIKE HELL, AND A CUT MAJOR ARTERY MAY CAUSE YOU TO BLEED OUT BEFORE HELP ARRIVES. SHOOT HIM BEFORE HE CAN GET TO YOU……
IF YOU ARE GOING TO CARRY A KNIFE, CARRY THE BIGGEST ONE LEGAL IN YOUR JURISDICTION THAT YOU CAN OPEN WITH EITHER HAND--LIKE A SPYDERCO. TRY TO AVOID STANDING AND FIGHTING WITH A GUY WITH A KNIFE. MY OLD FIELD FIRST SARGE TAUGHT ME--"IT'S HARD TO TELL THE WINNERS FROM THE LOSERS IN A BAYONET FIGHT". THE SAME HOLDS TRUE OF ANY EDGED WEAPONS FIGHT. TRY TO USE YOUR BLADE TO COVER YOUR ESCAPE, IF YOU CAN. IF YOU ESCAPE UNHARMED, YOU ARE AN AUTOMATIC WINNER…...

 

[Watchdog]

Not ever in SD despite the fact that I lived in Robeson county for 9 years .

No one who isn't from North Carolina will fully understand the Robeson County reference. Being from North Carolina, I do.

 

[old&slow]

Sorry to get a bit off track. But, knife laws are strange, or at least here in Ohio. I read the other day that If asked about the knife you are carrying, and you say it is for protection or self defense , it is a concealed weapon. If you say, it is a tool that you use. then it is not a concealed weapon.
And from what I read , it appears the blade length doesn't matter. A 2 inch pocket knife, or a 5" steak knife could be considered a weapon.. IF you say it is for self defense or protection.

 

[Cocked & Locked]

I'm 71 slow moving and gimpy. I walk with a cane. Fumbling with the cane would probably slow my draw with gun or knife.

The stick in my hand would probably be my best up close and personal defense.

Usually something of this order, billiard ball, hame ball, or white waxwood with rootball handle.

I usually carry a handgun and a knife of some type. I like Spyderco, some Cold Steel, and my Case XX Stockman knives of course.

My Esee Izula II fixed blade is becoming a favorite for several things.

 

[Harkrader]

I never had any training in using or fighting against a knife. As a LEO and military security I came up against someone wielding a knife. I got nasty cuts on my left hand and both forearms. I was also slashed with a broken bottle - the neck broken off.
Bled a lot, hurt reeeal bad.
If confronted by a knife today I'd back away as rapidly as possible, considering I may be with family, and draw my gun. I carry a Spyderco Native and hope to do no more deadly thing than trim a finger nail.

 

[Old cop]

A long time ago I made the rookie mistake of getting between two guys in a fight and was slashed across the back. Nothing serious and I thought someone punched me, but never identified who it was. Another call for service found me confronting a hostage taker who had a butcher knife in the mouth of his hostage. I had to shoot him when he lunged at me w/that knife. The hostage was freed safely, the bad guy lived but went to prison for a long time and I was unhurt.

I do carry what used to be called a jack-knife as a tool, but it requires two hands to open and is not a weapon. I can't run either b/c of a physical handicap but my daily travels are pretty safe these days.

 

[Comrad]

Stabbed and slashed several times, always by myself with my own knife. Resolution for 2015, be a little more careful with my pen knife.

 

[Beachcomber]

A little off subject, but I knew an elderly woman who lived most of her life in NYC. She carried a claw hammer in her purse. On a couple of occasions she felt threatened by approaching thugs and got out the hammer and got ready to use it. None of them forced the issue. Do any states restrict the carry of a hammer?

If I recall correctly... there is/was a motorcycle club that carried a ball peen hammer for a weapon (tool???).
.

 

[vigil617]

No one who isn't from North Carolina will fully understand the Robeson County reference. Being from North Carolina, I do.

Yep. Shorty and I both live not far from "RobCo" and are very familiar with the dynamic down there. My wife works in the school system there, and is a RobCo native herself, so I have been able to glean a lot of information that I, thankfully, have not had to learn firsthand.

One of the oddest bits she told me is that it is very common, particularly among the Lumbee Indian tribe there (not a federally recognized tribe, Forum members, but one whose members are very clannish and have their own culture in the midst of the Southeastern North Carolina one the rest of us live in), many of the women carry a knife inside their bras.

An interesting group of folks, to say the least, and I can truthfully say that I believe the expression "No greater friend, no worse enemy" had to have been coined about the Lumbees.

 

[Rick_A]

I've had some deep cuts to my hands. The worst was a "fish gill" cut completely through my palm by sheet metal. It stung a bit and sure bled a lot in the rain.

I've also had a sixteen penny nail enter my thumb and exit the top of my hand from a nail gun...then there was a 1/4" drill bit that went about 3/4 way through the bone. Those hurt too, (that bone pain is sharp) but didn't stop me from working or riding my motorcycle. A drill bit goes through flesh and bone shockingly fast.

I've had a family member throw kitchen knives at me, but they were flimsy steak knives.

Cuts are a messy business. The knife would definitely be a last resort.

 

[Stevens]

I was stabbed in the back by an ex wife. I went to work ,she went to the bank. Closed the checking and savings account. Used my credit card to buy a ticket to California and droped my dog off at the pound on her way. That count?

No, that doesn't count, but you can sell that story to a C&W songwriter for a fortune, especially with the dog part.

Steve W

 

[Bull100]

I once responded to a disturbance two men involved. One was stabbed and the other had been slashed a few times. The one that had been stabbed had the knife and was attempting to kill himself. The one that had been slashed a few times was a friend of the slasher and was attempting to save his life. The slasher was drunk and I really didn't want to assist him in being killed. I was able to disarm him with a night stick and he received nothing more than a broken forearm. Both men went to the hospital where their wounds were treated the slasher went to a mental hospital. I'm glad I didn't have to kill him. Neither man seemed to notice their injuries while involved in their texas two step

 

[CO_Kid]

I've been stabbed at, but missed. Since we were on the ground fighting, I didn't want to let go of his arm to go for my gun, so I put my knee on his wrist and pulled up on his hand until he let go. I broke his arm.

I do know someone who had to use a knife in a self defense situation on duty. While trying to arrest a guy, it turned into a fight with the bad guy getting a good grip on his gun trying to take it away. My friend grabbed his knife and carved that guys hand off of the gun. He slashed the wrist, cutting the tendons and forcing the grip to relax enough to get the hand to let go. Wasn't pretty.

 

[GreyRider]

Cocked & Locked,
I'm a fan of the walking stick...
This is part of my collection....
Welcome to the Official Web Site of Burger Sword Canes-Walking Sticks

 

[Arney]

There are some folks I know who routinely carry small ballpein(?) hammers on their bikes because they are not eligible for CCW permits. Can be a formidable weapon.

Understand that the ballpeen is a regular weapon for Hells'Angel Members......