F-86 Flies Again!

We lived in San Diego in the early fifties and I remember seeing so many F-86's and was so drawn to them that my mother would draw them for me, she was quite talented. I remember talking to an older guy that flown F-86's, knew all the strengths and capabilities of both the F-86 and the Mig-15, he said that the Mig could overtake the F-86 but could not outbrake one. He said a favorite combat technique was to let the Mig get on your tail then suddenly drop down and hit the airbrakes, the Mig would overshoot you and fall right into your guns...don't know if thats true but it made a good story at the time.
 
The only balsa wood model I ever made was of an F-86. My elementary school teacher made us use wood. Sixth Grade. He hung the planes from the ceiling; some Sabres, some MiG's.

South Africa flew Mustangs and Sabres alongside US forces in Korea. Their planes were marked with national colors and a flying cheetah emblem. I have a book on the SAAF that shows Sabres.

Did any other nations operate Sabres in BATTLE?

Who all used the F-86? Canada and Australia had them, and Canadair built some. I think the Swiss bought some.
 
It is cool that they can keep those old planes running. The P-38 was one of my favorites, even though it wasn't a great dogfighter. Having 2 engines, I imagine it is hard to keep going. The Spitfire is also a great one.

Basically agree, although the two leading US aces both flew P-38's, both against Japan. One ace had 40 kills; the other had 38. (Bong and McGuire.)

But a book on the P-38 quoted an ME-109 pilot as saying that the P-38 was more maneuverable, and he faced them in combat.

The late ones with combat flaps to aid tight turns and to prevent getting locked into high speed dives were much improved and were better heated. Euro theater P-38 pilots all but froze because the cockpits weren't heated and they flew at high altitudes.
 
Google "ME262 Project" and see the stories and videos about building modern flying versions of the Messerschmidt ME 262 Sturmvogels (Storm Birds).Very interesting and great videos.What an undertaking.
It brings back memories because they are being built in the Alert Hanger where I spent many hours on 2 minute Scramble Alert as a young F-89 Scorpion pilot.I would love to do it again.
 
The F-86 is like a classic sports car. Old as it is, it still looks good.
 
one of my uncles was an armorer on f-86's,never knew that till he died,also i read somewhere that the guy that played the klingon "worf" on star trek owned one and flew it at a few airshows
 
Basically agree, although the two leading US aces both flew P-38's, both against Japan. One ace had 40 kills; the other had 38. (Bong and McGuire.)

But a book on the P-38 quoted an ME-109 pilot as saying that the P-38 was more maneuverable, and he faced them in combat.

The late ones with combat flaps to aid tight turns and to prevent getting locked into high speed dives were much improved and were better heated. Euro theater P-38 pilots all but froze because the cockpits weren't heated and they flew at high altitudes.

I didn't know the P-38 was regarded as being maneuverable, but then from what I've read the Me-109 advantage was speed, not maneuverability. Of course there were a lot of improvements made over the years.

One of their big advantages was the guns were in the nose instead of the wings. Supposedly this helped accuracy. Most planes had their guns on the wings and had to be zeroed for a fixed distance. The P-38 guns were straight. The 20mm cannon was well liked also, most other American fighters just had machine guns.

I think the P-38 excelled as a high speed, high altitude interceptor. From what I've read, the P-38 was used mostly in the Pacific, less so in Europe.
 
I was in grade school during the Korean War. I drew hundreds of dog fights between Sabers and Mig 15s in class rather than what I should have been doing.

Funny though, for every Saber that shot down a Mig, another showed up to shoot down the Saber and another Saber immediately appeared to shoot down the Mig ad infinitum..

I wasn't there, but I've heard Mig Alley didn't have a 1:1 kill ratio. :)
 
I think I read that Sabres against the Migs had the highest kill ratio ever, even higher than the Flying Tigers. I think it may have been 14 to 1. Quite a reflection of our boys and their training and tactics.
 
The P-38 was a great airplane and entered service very early in the war. It was a first generation "super fighter". It was there in the fight in '42 and '43 before our superior "war winning" fighters showed up. The Lighting was withdrawn from escort service in the European theater as soon as more capable aircraft arrived. What's the point of an escort that needs an escort?

The P-38 was used successfully on other missions as a fighter-bomber, recon, and a pathfinder. It was successful in the Pacific due it's great range and twin engines. Two advantages on long over water missions. Even there, it was entirely superseded by P-51's in escort missions just as soon as the Mustangs and their drop tanks got there. There weren't many Japanese pilots left to shoot down in '45 anyway.

After WWII the P-38 was quickly withdrawn while the P-51, P-47, Corsair, and others flew on for decades in AF, Naval, and Air/Naval Guard/Reserve service. That kind of says it all. The P-38 was a 486 and the later planes were all Pentiums.

It's too bad they never put the P-51's Packard/Royal-Royce engine in the P-38. That would of been an awesome plane. An American Mosquito. Speed and altitude of a P-51. Range and payload of a B-17 in a one man platform. Shoot one down (if you could catch it), you lose one guy instead of 10.
 
Couple more from the same Chino show in 2011 -

F-89


P-38 chasing a Zero


A6M5 (a real Zero)


Navy Flight - Dauntless, A-4 Scooter, & A1 Skyraider


Three F4U Corsairs


F6F Hellcats


La-5


Bell P-39 Airacobra
 
I hope they can keep those early "Swept wing" jets in service
for all to see............... They are a "Classic".

We get to see most of them at the Reno Air Races.........
I also enjoy the "Fighting Tiger" and its roar. You can heat it
coming for miles.

While in the service I got to see my first U2 take off and go
almost straight up, while stationed on Guam. Quite the sight
back in '62.
 
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