Factory loaded Winchester 7.62x39 or reloaded scam?

I had to make up some dummy 7.62 X 39 rounds for a training class. Yesterday I bought a 50 round factory-sealed bag of W-W unprimed new brass to use. I pulled bullets from a box of Russian-made ammunition that mic'ed at .310". They barely were held in place by the new brass. I had to run the brass through a sizing die to get it to hold the bullets firmly.

My guess is that, if your brass looks truly new, it was assembled by some gomer that just primed and charged the cases before seating bullets and crimped the dickens to hold them in place. W-W components for 7.62 are easy to find. The loader probably wanted to skip the steps of lubing, sizing then de-lubing the brass and just used them as they came.
 
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And I have long stopped shooting anyone else's handloads in my guns. Had a neighbor growing up that liked guns, had many and loaded his own ammunition, much of it with bullets he cast himself. I had just bought my first good rifle, a new Remington 700 in .30-06. I showed it to Otis and his eyes lit up. He went down into his den/gun room and came out with a band-aid can stuffed with .30-06 handloads he had put together. "Shoot these, BUFF! They'll blow the fuzz off the dandilions for a hundred yards!"

I took them from him and said that I would give them a try. A cursory examination showed that the couple dozen rounds had ten different headstamps between them. I could see 4 different bullets were used, although of the same weights, 180 grains. I weighed the powder charges after pulling the bullets and the weights varied by at least six grains from highest to lowest. At least the primers all looked alike!

I poured the powder from the rounds, weighed it, divided it up by the number of cartridges and re-assembled the cartridges with much greater uniformity than Otis had used.

Also, Otis drank. A lot. He was frequently hammered when he loaded ammo.

I took my new .30-06 up to the range and fired a box of Winchester factory loads They were uniform and I shot four smallish groups at 100 yards.

It was then time for Otis's bull blaster loads. I put on my full-coverage Bell Star motorcycle helmet, chambered an Otis, spent a bit of time hunkering down at the bench, working up the courage, and finally, turned my eyes away and fired one round. WHAMMMM!!!!!! The rifle kicked harder than anything I had ever shot, including a .375 H&H. Muzzle rise like I was bird hunting! Sand and dust poured from the overhead rafters holding the roofs over our firing benches, jarred loose by the concussion.

Then it took two of us with a good-sized hard plastic mallet to beat the action open. The bolt's spring-loaded ejector plunger couldn't budge the fired case from it's face.

I said, "Enough! Otis wants to kill us!" My shooting buddy also had a .30-06 Ruger with him, and he thought maybe my new rifle was too tight. I gave him my motorcycle helmet, he settled down at the bench, soberly chambered another Otis, and I had him don my helmet while I stood around behind a thick steel beam. WHAAAMMMMMM!!!!

We had to take his Ruger with the fired Otis casing welded into the chamber to a good gunsmith to pry the bolt back open, pound out the Otis case and replace his damaged extractor. Gunsmith thought the headspace had been opened up a bit, too.

That was about 1976. I haven't shot an Otis cartridge since, and I am pretty sure I never will.

And nobody else's, either.
 
I just did an "organ transplant," so to speak. I wanted to save the new unfired Winchester brass so I loaded the pulled bullets into some beat up Remington brass I have, along with 24.0 grs. of the powder that had originally been loaded into the cartridges. This is one of the most accurate loads I have ever shot out of my rifle, the only problem being that it shoots about 2" low and 3" to the right. So this is definitely an accurate load. I have tried many bullet and powder combinations with this cartridge and so far I can come up with only one handload that is as accurate as this. I still don't believe this ammo was originally loaded by Bubba. Or even Otis.

Dave Sinko
 
David...I would bet this is factory ammo. I bought a box of winchester 123gr softpoint's about 15 years ago. I knew a lady who hunted whitetail here in TX, and she shattered her hand, and couldn't work a bolt action very well. I bought this ammo, and let her use one of my AK's. She shot four deer with it that season.

After reading your post, I went and looked at what I had left,(about 9), and to my suprise, I could twist the bullet in two of them with my finger. I don't shoot my AK's much anymore, but I'm gonna re crimp the 9 I have left....This was the stuff in the grey box, by the way. Very impressive results.....
 
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I just looked at some x39 WWB I have. It has the funkiest looking crimp I've ever seen.:confused:

Looks like a segmented "squeeze" crimp. Strange.

Checked some Yugo milsurp, Wolf & MFS. No visible crimp of any sort.

No twisting bullets on any of 'em. Personally, I would not shoot the ammo described in the OP. I've seen a lot of horror stories involving recent manufactured Win ammo. As I understand it Olin is in the process of moving the plant to a new location & the union is not happy.
 
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