FBI Reports

[just jim]

Who does the check in Oregon? The state or the FBI?

There are many reasons for a delay that do NOT pertain to the buyer.
Like, if your name is Smith or Jones, expect a delay. That's because there is a good chance that someone with a similar name to yours has a record!

I believe we are the first to have instant check forced on the gunshows. It has really hurt the shows, people don't like to wait an hour to buy a gun. Heck you can wait the hour then have it delayed.

It's the state system but I would think they run a person's name through the FBI. At this time the state charges $10 that must come from credit card. Process goes like this, you make a deal with the buyer and add the fee to the price of a gun. You fill out the blue sheet paper work and get both sides of the sale on the paper work.

Then you dial the 800 number and wait for someone to talk to, my personal longest was was 45 minutes. After you reach someone you tell them who you are and where you are selling the gun. They ask you for a valid credit card and get all the information before they proceed.

Then they get all of your info and the buyer's info. Sometimes they want to talk to the buyer for more info. Once they have all the info they want it takes about 5 minutes for them to come back and deny or give an approval number.

For the private seller you lose business all the time wasted on the phone plus you need help watching the table. No telling how many sales you miss due to all the waiting. Like I said it has really hurts the shows.

 

[LVSteve]

Edited to add, there was a time when people with concealed carry permits could buy without a background check. For some reason they did away with that. I suspect it's all about money but don't know for sure. I guess I really shouldn't complain, last check that went through the BATFE took a year and cost $200 plus.

We lost that privilege in NV for a while because BATFE did not like the way some rural sheriffs renewed CCWs. In some counties I believe the ability to fog a spoon was the only requirement. The state legislature had to pass new laws before BATFE gave us a pass. Even then you could not escape the NICS check until your CCW date came AFTER the new laws.

Perhaps your state has fallen foul of BATFE the same way.

 

[just jim]

We lost that privilege in NV for a while because BATFE did not like the way some rural sheriffs renewed CCWs. In some counties I believe the ability to fog a spoon was the only requirement. The state legislature had to pass new laws before BATFE gave us a pass. Even then you could not escape the NICS check until your CCW date came AFTER the new laws.

Perhaps your state has fallen foul of BATFE the same way.

How much is the background check in Nevada?

 

[dereksfl]

Mydogmax: I don't want you to feel left out. I can give you a ticket.. forward or reverse either will work for me. Happy Holiday!

 

[Absalom]

I believe we are the first to have instant check forced on the gunshows. It has really hurt the shows, people don't like to wait an hour to buy a gun. Heck you can wait the hour then have it delayed.

It's the state system but I would think they run a person's name through the FBI. .

Doing a private-to-private at a gun show through the phone is indeed a pain in Oregon. Any FFL dealer who's half-way computer-literate, on the other hand, can do it through the state's website in seconds. And Oregon does both the FBI background on the buyer and runs the gun through NCIC, useful if you buy mostly old guns. My FFL guy, who handles my GB transactions, punches the data into the mask while I fill out the form (he knows my info by heart now) and usually has the approval code before I reach the signature line on page 2. Over the past year, I've had about 20 instant approvals, one gun reported stolen, and once I made the mistake of going to pick up a gun early Saturday afternoon, when all the gun shows were going; that was a 20 min. wait. The system actually tells the dealer how many people are in line before you and how fast the line is moving. Most gun show dealers here do it on their laptops now.

 

[just jim]

Doing a private-to-private at a gun show through the phone is indeed a pain in Oregon. Any FFL dealer who's half-way computer-literate, on the other hand, can do it through the state's website in seconds. And Oregon does both the FBI background on the buyer and runs the gun through NCIC, useful if you buy mostly old guns. My FFL guy, who handles my GB transactions, punches the data into the mask while I fill out the form (he knows my info by heart now) and usually has the approval code before I reach the signature line on page 2. Over the past year, I've had about 20 instant approvals, one gun reported stolen, and once I made the mistake of going to pick up a gun early Saturday afternoon, when all the gun shows were going; that was a 20 min. wait. The system actually tells the dealer how many people are in line before you and how fast the line is moving. Most gun show dealers here do it on their laptops now.

I am painfully aware of the system Ordered a M1 Garand and it took six months to get to my dealer. He knows how to send in background check by the computer so that is what he tried first. Readout said 76 ahead of him. So smart fellow he was he called the 800 and got into that system only having 14 ahead of him. Took an hour to buy the gun. However after waiting 6 months for delivery an hour seemed like nothing.

 

[LVSteve]

How much is the background check in Nevada?

$25 at the last count.

 

[LostintheOzone]

The time it takes is often set more by who actually does it. In NV the NICS check is made via NHP. That way, the STATE can deny you on the basis of unpaid tickets and the like.

If you state does not have many folk to process the requests, it is irrelevant what happens at the FBI.

That's a good way to handle it. We all pay our traffic tickets...right? Restricted person takes on a whole new meaning when the state decides if you are being a good citizen. FBI only knows what the state tells them anyway.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Since the NICS checks all involve government bureaucracies I suspect that news releases like this are probably a pursuit of budget increases.

As others have pointed out, the FBI does not charge a fee, but most state agencies involved do charge fees. Either way, this is a means for justifying more personnel, more infrastructure, more operating funds. So an increase for the FBI results in more burden on the taxpayers, while increases for state agencies will probably result in more burden on individuals via increased fees.

Either way we pay. A possible end-game strategy might be reached when government bean counters start playing with the numbers and elected officials start making an issue about the costs imposed; a strategy that might cut several ways: (1) anti-gunners might argue the cost to taxpayers imposed by a minority of citizens purchasing firearms, (2) pro-liberty types might argue that the cost is greater than the benefits (given the fact that these checks result in no measurable impact on violent crime), (3) then the anti-gunners might seize the opportunity to argue for more restrictions because what we have in place isn't doing the job as promised, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Just as we have experienced for years and years.

We have had prohibitions on convicted felons possessing (or attempting to acquire) firearms for decades, yet convicted felons continue being arrested for violations. We have had prohibitions on criminal homicide, assault, rape, and hundreds of other acts for thousands of years, yet people continue engaging in such acts. Passage of laws has never caused any human behavior to cease.

Politicians continue building careers and bureaucrats continue building empires. Human behavior remains the only constant.

 

[just jim]

$25 at the last count.

Ya they keep trying to raise our fee but they find it hard to do with the instant checks going so slow it hurts commerce. It's coming though.

 

[just jim]

Since the NICS checks all involve government bureaucracies I suspect that news releases like this are probably a pursuit of budget increases.

As others have pointed out, the FBI does not charge a fee, but most state agencies involved do charge fees. Either way, this is a means for justifying more personnel, more infrastructure, more operating funds. So an increase for the FBI results in more burden on the taxpayers, while increases for state agencies will probably result in more burden on individuals via increased fees.

Either way we pay. A possible end-game strategy might be reached when government bean counters start playing with the numbers and elected officials start making an issue about the costs imposed; a strategy that might cut several ways: (1) anti-gunners might argue the cost to taxpayers imposed by a minority of citizens purchasing firearms, (2) pro-liberty types might argue that the cost is greater than the benefits (given the fact that these checks result in no measurable impact on violent crime), (3) then the anti-gunners might seize the opportunity to argue for more restrictions because what we have in place isn't doing the job as promised, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Just as we have experienced for years and years.

We have had prohibitions on convicted felons possessing (or attempting to acquire) firearms for decades, yet convicted felons continue being arrested for violations. We have had prohibitions on criminal homicide, assault, rape, and hundreds of other acts for thousands of years, yet people continue engaging in such acts. Passage of laws has never caused any human behavior to cease.

Politicians continue building careers and bureaucrats continue building empires. Human behavior remains the only constant.

The numbers say that very few have been prosecuted for an illegal gun purchase. However they are giving tickets for it.

 

[Aticus]

Reading through this thread I sure am glad I live where I do. Sales from a dealer require a check with NICS which, usually only takes a couple minutes, then pay the man and go on your way. The call is directly to NICS, the computer is directly to NICS and any delay with paper work is due to NICS. Further review (which I get) or delay is another thing. Ninety nine percent of the time it takes no more than 3 or 4 minutes. Private sales require no check.

 

[the ringo kid]

The FBI does not charge a fee.
Some states do I have been told.
Some dealers charge a fee.

They can be pretty darn fast.
On almost every one I have ever run, it takes longer to give them my info and the buyer's info than it does for them to run the check.
It takes a minute or two to give them that data, and by the time I'm finished feeding it to them, they have almost always said "The transfer is approved. Confirmation number is XXXYYY-ZZZZ."

Thats what happened to me twice in a year--passed before all info could be sent. I LIKE--that. )

 

[the ringo kid]

Don't know how you're getting this done so fast. Every time (4 in the last 12 months) that my FFL calls me in they say delayed. Have to wait the three days then pick up my gun. I don't have a common name nor have I ever been charged with a crime. Heck, I haven't even had a speeding ticket in the last ten years.

When I was buying that American knock-off for the German STG 44--I was sitting next tothe then--C.f NAS CC--Shore patrol.He had already been sitting well before i sat tofil out paperwork. The guy handling mine-was stillon the phone giving my info when he said Ipassed. The guy next tome looked at me with big eyes in astonishment and said:"Who are you related to-or Who do you know?" I cant remembe exact words but--i jsut tolld him im not that lucky but--I did have a background in State Law Enforcement. He then told me where he worked and what he did... )

The last purchase I made--it took me 10 or so minutes to clear--due to volume of calls. Im good with either result.

 

[the ringo kid]

You guys with fees c'mon down to Texas. To my knowledge--the only "gun fee" ive ever had topay--is the "fee" (price for the gun) for buying said gun.

 

[just jim]

You guys with fees c'mon down to Texas. To my knowledge--the only "gun fee" ive ever had topay--is the "fee" (price for the gun) for buying said gun.

I have thought many times about moving to another state If I didn't have so many roots here I would. Been to Texas and liked it.

 

[the ringo kid]

I have thought many times about moving to another state If I didn't have so many roots here I would. Been to Texas and liked it.

Thats OK--we will always have plenty of room to spare. )

 

[pawngal]

Iowa is pretty gun friendly too. You can get a Permit to Acquire for $10, covers all transfers for 1 year. Just fill out the 4473, no NICS check needed. Good to go. CC permits are easy to get also and are good for 5 years, cost depends on the class you take. No NICS reguired with the CC either.

 

[S&W Fan]

As I posted in my thread my older son's background check took 5 minutes around 10:30am on black Friday. Here in Colorado as part of our stupid law changes a year ago we now have to pay $10 for the instant check.

The times when I see it back up now are usually on gun show weekends-I sold a gun locally the last time we had a show and it took close to 45 minutes for the check. Every other time it's about 5-10 minutes maximum.

 

[Old TexMex]

Thats OK--we will always have plenty of room to spare. )

Ringo Kid: hang on buddy, look at what's comin' north!!