FBI selects new pistol to go with its 9mm ammo

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The FBI finished its testing, and has adopted a new duty pistol, in full, and compact sizes, to fire its new 147 grain 9mm Gold Dot G2 ammo.

I hate it for the M&P, but the award was not unexpected either.

The award was given to Glock, who apparently submitted improved versions of its G17 and G19. The FBI versions will have no finger grooves, and an ambidextrous slide release.

Too bad for S&W. The SIG Sauer people are probably having fits right about now, as many predicted the specs were specifically written for the P320.

Let the GAO formal protests and lawsuits begin.
 
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The FBI finished its testing, and has adopted a new duty pistol, in full, and compact sizes, to fire its new 147 grain 9mm Gold Dot G2 ammo.

I hate it for the M&P, but the award was not unexpected either.

The award was given to Glock, who apparently submitted improved versions of its G17 and G19. The FBI versions will have no finger grooves, and an ambidextrous slide release.

Too bad for S&W. The SIG Sauer people are probably having fits right about now, as many predicted the specs were specifically written for the P320.

Let the GAO formal protests and lawsuits begin.

Are you sure you don't mean ambidextrous magazine catch? I've seen a couple pics of the 17M, and they don't have an ambi slide stop . . .
 
I retired Thursday, so it doesn't matter to me, but I would have bet the farm the Sig 320 would win.

For several years the Bureau said we would never get Glocks. Then a highly placed Bureau official retired and took a position at Glock. Voila - Glocks were in.

Maybe the handwriting was on the wall when the SWAT guys got the Flat Dark Earth Glock 17s (finger grooves and all).

The guys that are carrying 22s and 23s now have been told to expect to have them for another 5 years. The 17s will go to new guys and will replace the .40s through attrition.
 
Anyone know if the M&P 9/40/45 was considered? I so, how'd it fare? Seems like this goes on so much... Can't tell why there is so much turnover in U.S. Gov't guns...... I am still using a Beretta 92 FS that is 20+ and it shoots quite well and I have several hundreds of rounds through it..... It gets shot at least 25-50 rounds quarterly and sometimes more than that in between quarters....
 
I retired Thursday, so it doesn't matter to me, but I would have bet the farm the Sig 320 would win.

Congrats on the retirement!

I also thought the 320 would be the choice. I like Glocks, so I wouldn't mind being issued a 17/19. I carried an issued G22 my last 9 years.

What I'm curious to see is if Glock will offer the new version (Gen 5?) to the public? Will it spread to other calibers/sizes? The ambi slide release is not a hot button for me, but the lack of finger grooves seems to be big selling point with many owners.
 
I don't understand why the lack of finger grooves would be considered a point in the pistol's favor. Unless the grip part of the frame is shortened (front to back).
 
I don't understand why the lack of finger grooves would be considered a point in the pistol's favor. Unless the grip part of the frame is shortened (front to back).

Maybe because the finger grooves are an almost perfect example of form over function? I don't know a single person that is issued a Glock that finds the finger grooves an improvement over the Gen 2 grip. I don't find the finger grooves an impediment, or an improvement, but given the choice I too would opt for a finger groove-less grip with the Gen 4 texture.
 
I'm one who found my Gen 2 Glock 23, w/o finger groves, to feel like a brick in my hand (I'm a leftie). I picked up a Gen 3 Glock 17, w/finger groves, and it fits me like a glove. FWIW (remember this is free) the G17, Gen 3, is a vast improvement over all the Gen 2 Glocks.
 
Glock are fine guns and the FBI can have their 9mm.

I'm carrying my Glock 10mm.
 
Its a slide lock not a release the hand over should be used .
 
Another case of giving our men what is the cheapest , not the best . My son served in the Marine Corps for a number of years , served in the middle east . Don't get him started talking about the Beretta 92 , the air quickly turns " blue " from anger/distrust .
I have seen quite a few new glocks have fte, ftf issues . That is not hearsay , that is what I have personally witnessed , right out of the box .
I'm not a semi guy but do have a sig P320 . It started out as a subcompact 9mm . I bought , from sig the x-change kit and converted it to a compact sig 357 . The kit came right to my door , no ffl required . It's an easy swap . I love it love it love it and yes I do reload for it . It's an easy cartridge to reload .
Some will disagree ,but that's my take on the situation because what I have personally witnessed . I wish them ( the FBI ) , " Good luck " they're going to need it .
 
Don't think S&W wants their pistols stolen from FBI personnel and used for a shooting. The gun will be blamed and not the agents who lost them.
 
Its a slide lock not a release the hand over should be used .

Well, if we're going to get technical, the slide lock is the bar that traverses the frame and keeps the slide on the frame. The slide stop holds the slide back when the magazine is empty, or when manually activated. When the FBI adopted the Glocks 22 and 23, they forced Glock to add a little ledge or bump to the slide stop lever, so that agents could use it to release the slide.
 
Another case of giving our men what is the cheapest , not the best . My son served in the Marine Corps for a number of years , served in the middle east . Don't get him started talking about the Beretta 92 , the air quickly turns " blue " from anger/distrust .
I have seen quite a few new glocks have fte, ftf issues . That is not hearsay , that is what I have personally witnessed , right out of the box .
I'm not a semi guy but do have a sig P320 . It started out as a subcompact 9mm . I bought , from sig the x-change kit and converted it to a compact sig 357 . The kit came right to my door , no ffl required . It's an easy swap . I love it love it love it and yes I do reload for it . It's an easy cartridge to reload .
Some will disagree ,but that's my take on the situation because what I have personally witnessed . I wish them ( the FBI ) , " Good luck " they're going to need it .


My son did three combat tours in Iraq, in the Army. Although he somewhat prefers the Browning MK III and SIG P-226 in 9mm's, he likes the Beretta M-9 and used it very effectively. No one he killed with it has ever risen from the dead, and they expired promptly on being shot. He'd prefer Speer Gold Dot or Federal HST ammo, but M882 NATO FMJ was all that was authorized and available. It worked. He did tend to fire in double taps, and a few men required a third shot. But one of those was dropped with a leg shot to put him down as he ran on the other side of a truck trailer. When he dropped, a couple of shots to the center mass area killed him. He never met a jihadist who had read that 9mm can't kill men well. Not knowing this "fact", they expired quickly. But the bullets need to be placed well. My son is admittedly a far better marksman than are most military personnel, other than Delta Force, SEALS, specialized MP SWAT teams, etc.

He killed additional enemy with a Browning MK III while a security ccontractor after leaving the Army. It, too, was fully effective, using the same ammo. Both guns always worked and shot well.

He did spend his own money for real Beretta and Meg-Gar mags and said that cheap aftermarket magazines caused most problems that he saw with the Beretta, or poor cleaning. Some guns had also been used a LOT, with improper maintainance.

The Beretta M-9 passed really grueling trials before being adopted and since the bugs were worked out to avoid broken slides, is an evolved design that performs well, provided that Gen. 3 locking blocks are used and are changed out before one endures too much shooting. Ditto springs, as with other autos.

My M-92FS is one of my most relied on pistols if I think I might have to use it soon. And I don't mean "use it" as a "range gun" or on jackrabbits. But it'll do well in those roles, too, although I don't think it's the best choice for a high round count routine range gun. That was never its intended role.
 
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Another case of giving our men what is the cheapest , not the best . My son served in the Marine Corps for a number of years , served in the middle east . Don't get him started talking about the Beretta 92 , the air quickly turns " blue " from anger/distrust .
I have seen quite a few new glocks have fte, ftf issues . That is not hearsay , that is what I have personally witnessed , right out of the box .
I'm not a semi guy but do have a sig P320 . It started out as a subcompact 9mm . I bought , from sig the x-change kit and converted it to a compact sig 357 . The kit came right to my door , no ffl required . It's an easy swap . I love it love it love it and yes I do reload for it . It's an easy cartridge to reload .
Some will disagree ,but that's my take on the situation because what I have personally witnessed . I wish them ( the FBI ) , " Good luck " they're going to need it .

For my entire 23 year career in law enforcement I carried a GLOCK, first a Model 17 with a Model 26 for back up and the later a Model 22 with a Model 27 for back up. I stood on quarterly training firing lines for those 23 years and never had a FTF or FTE issue. In fact most of the alibi rounds I saw fired on either side of me were user error issues.

We never lost an officer to a gun fight and never had a failure to stop an armed encounter due to weapons failure. I relied on my GLOCK and never had any doubt it would preform if and when needed. No hearsay here either, just 23 years on the road in patrol.
 
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Another case of giving our men what is the cheapest , not the best.....
I have seen quite a few new glocks have fte, ftf issues . That is not hearsay , that is what I have personally witnessed , right out of the box .
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Some will disagree ,but that's my take on the situation because what I have personally witnessed . I wish them ( the FBI ) , " Good luck " they're going to need it .

Well, considering that the Glock has been the standard issue gun of the FBI since 1997, you'd think they'd have noticed over the last twenty years if there was anything to worry about.
 

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