Federal Judge in Mississippi rules on machine gun ban. Curious to hear what the membership thinks of this one.
Fed Court Strikes Down Machine Gun Ban!
Fed Court Strikes Down Machine Gun Ban!
Fed Judge Rules On Machine Gun Ban
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The NFA and it's corresponding tax on certain firearms has always been unconstitutional, as is the 1986 FOPA ban on 'new' full auto firearms.
Fortunately, SCOTUS gave us Bruen, and overturned chevron deference, so the whole house of cards is starting to fall apart.
Unfortunately, we're going to have to wait for these cases to get back to SCOTUS, and hope they accept the cases and rule favorably before these unconstitutional laws will finally be eradicated.
Two Federal courts have now ruled against the full auto ban, so things are gaining momentum...
Fortunately, SCOTUS gave us Bruen, and overturned chevron deference, so the whole house of cards is starting to fall apart.
Unfortunately, we're going to have to wait for these cases to get back to SCOTUS, and hope they accept the cases and rule favorably before these unconstitutional laws will finally be eradicated.
Two Federal courts have now ruled against the full auto ban, so things are gaining momentum...
Definitely good news. The house of cards is starting to slowly fall. However, in this case, it's "as applied" so it only applies to the plaintiff and nobody else. Nonetheless, a move in the right direction. And it's in the 5th circuit, the ATF's nemesis.
Cracks forming in that NFA wall.
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I want one of those MP5 machine pistols that fits inside the special brief case……..
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If it sticks...it will have a double-edged sword effect. It will allow new select-fire models to be marketed to the general public and prices should come down...how much is difficult to say but the free market will have the last word.
The other side of the coin is collectors who have big bucks invested in select-fire weapons may see some of that value evaporate. Again...how much is debatable. Blue-chip guns like Thompsons will likely continue to hold value but new production could moderate those values some for those who simply want shooters.
The usual suspects will start crying and whining in three...two...one...
The other side of the coin is collectors who have big bucks invested in select-fire weapons may see some of that value evaporate. Again...how much is debatable. Blue-chip guns like Thompsons will likely continue to hold value but new production could moderate those values some for those who simply want shooters.
The usual suspects will start crying and whining in three...two...one...
I do not consider myself to be usual nor do I cry and whine.
I disagree that only some of the "value" will go away once the 1986 legislation is overturned. Most of the price(value) will go away on all select fire Title II firearms.
Remember that is not true value. It is fake value imposed upon us by limiting the existing supply
As an owner of many select fire, Title II firearms(some favorites pictured above), I will be ecstatic to lose money on the ones that I own, so that I can gain the ability to buy anything I want.
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The key to the judgement was this:
Don't count your chickens.
Don't count your chickens.
I do not consider myself to be usual nor do I cry and whine.
I disagree that only some of the "value" will go away once the 1986 legislation is overturned. Most of the price(value) will go away on all select fire Title II firearms.
Remember that is not true value. It is fake value imposed upon us by limiting the existing supply
As an owner of many select fire, Title II firearms(some favorites pictured above), I will be ecstatic to lose money on the ones that I own, so that I can gain the ability to buy anything I want.
Agree ^^^^^^^^^^^^
LVSteve
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There will always be those who cannot stomach any loss in "value", regardless of how false that value might be. They'll do almost anything not to take what they see as a financial hit. I've seen it in the milsurp collector community. Indeed, one joker on a French weapons board crowed that if he saw something going cheap on an auction site he would run it up until it was at least at the number he paid.
The fact that you only "lose" when you sell is beyond some people.
Being able to buy a couple Flemming auto sears for my SP5 and SP5K, plus converting a few AR's to select fire would be most nice. I can't see it happening thou.
I'd be happy if they just took silencers off the NFA list. Probably a better chance of that happening.
I'd be happy if they just took silencers off the NFA list. Probably a better chance of that happening.
If the legislation is rolled back, there will be no need for an aftermarket "Auto Sear"
The G3k pictured in my first post is a registered receiver, any lower (fire control group) that HK makes just gets pinned on. No time consuming moving of the sear from trigger group to trigger group.
The same goes for my 9MM MP5.
The 10MM Auto and 357SIG MP5s did not exist prior to the Firearm Owners' Protection Act (FOPA) of 1986 so they need to be sear guns
IF anything happens, it will be in little baby steps, not all at once
Passing of the recently reintroduced (119th Congress ) Hearing Protection Act (H.R. 404/S. 364) would be a nice start
I agree i'd more like to see suppressors de-regulated, but what would make me even happier would be to have the hearing in my left ear back, lol.
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Be careful what you wish for..... the more of these that are procured more than likely means the more that will be stolen and used illegally. Just thinking out loud here pay no attention . . . . .
Way to much legalese in the decision... "machine guns lacks historical precedent and is therefore unconstitutional." How do you have historical precedent when they did not even
exist at the time of writing of 2A.
exist at the time of writing of 2A.
Easy legal trade in full-auto firearms would certainly bring down the price of meat for cartels in Mexico and street drug retail organizations here.
Going too far is one path to ensuring antis have enough public and political support to amend the Second, and not to our liking, IMO.
Going too far is one path to ensuring antis have enough public and political support to amend the Second, and not to our liking, IMO.
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Back in the 70's friend had all the MAC sub guns and the 380 in the briefcase. We used to shoot it at the indoor range I managed. I prefer the Swed K….
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the Swedish K is a dream item..
if the Hughes amendment gets reversed somehow I hope S&W resumes manufacture of the Model 76.. I will NEED one of those somehow.. lol
if the Hughes amendment gets reversed somehow I hope S&W resumes manufacture of the Model 76.. I will NEED one of those somehow.. lol
The cost of ammo takes me out of the game, but I am not against it.
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Good friend has the Swed K he carried in SE Asia in 64. He only said " he traded them for it" He had a large mfg'ing business for military equipment. He has lots of other Mgs, cannons and mortars.
GEE WHIZ............Should cars be on the NFA List........They are to kill people all the time.........And no one complains.Be careful what you wish for..... the more of these that are procured more than likely means the more that will be stolen and used illegally. Just thinking out loud here pay no attention . . . . .
BKLooney
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I would likely acquire a full-auto (or two) if they were removed from NFA, not really to shoot much, just to have around. I would rather have unrestricted access to suppressors as I would get far more use out of a few more of those. Full-auto is really fun to play with, nowadays I'd have trouble feeding such a beast! 
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really, always thought cars were for basic transportation, that unfortunately people have accidents in and get killed. Sadly there is that rare occasion when some moron purposely drives in people. Now, if you want to talk about tanks and such, but then the last one of those that I recall going on a rampage was back in '95.....
Where I was in 1969/70, M-16s and AKs were there for the taking, and using. The K and XM-177s were the perfect survival weapon for helicopter pilots but they were scarce and hard to obtain.
How about another try at amnesty for all those illicit war trophies going back to WW II?
I agree - but as a NFA owner, the real "value" for most MG's is in the sears that ATF call a MG and almost instantly became illegal in the 1986 2 AM vote fiasco. Sear owners will take the biggest hit if and when the 86 law is overturned and sear manufacture will begin immediately at the push of a CNC button.
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Yea a S&W 76 is probably as close to K as I can get. Not sure how many Ks will be around.
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Watching a movie the other night, a man applied for a job picking up money in an armored car. The armored cars were being hit. When they issued him his gun, he said something like "This against full auto weapons?"
Of course, he would just take one of theirs as he went through them.
Of course, he would just take one of theirs as he went through them.
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