first time gun owner with m&p 15-22, should have gone with .223 instead?

this is what i am having trouble believing. at a close ranged home defense scenario the velocitor rounds would go THROUGH the large massed introduer's body, would they not?

if so then no man can survive center mass hits like this, especially since there will be very little recoil with the 15-22. you will probably destroy every single organ in a few seconds unloading all 25 rounds from the rfile.
My understanding, albeit wholy limited to what info I have been able to find through internet research and talking to LEOs, military personel, and a couple of medical professionals I have know over the years, is that aside from making it through the initial impact w/ skin and/or bone, penetration and over penetration has very little to do w/ stopping power from a physiological perspective.

My impression is that total kinetic energy imparted and inital shape and advantageous deformation of the round from the initial impact that maximizes the temporary cavity and hydrostatic shock are the main factors in stopping someone in their tracks.

Penetration, the size of the permanent cavity, and any tumbling/fragmentation of the round have more influence over the eventual lethality of the wound(s) vis a vis organ failure and blood loss.

In short, against an unarmored intruder using the heaviest, highest velocity JHP rounds you can find in your 15-22 will maximize it's lethality and stopping power, but it's still more likely to fill the intruder w/ lots of small holes that while being perfectly lethal if not treated immediately, aren't necessarily going to instantly shut them down physically w/ any degree of certainty (barring lucky/freak headshots that manage to cause extensive brain/spinal damage).
 
basically, i guess, the entire post can be summarized in a simple question (assumining the youtube video is correct)...in home defense range, the m&p 15-22 will shred a target just as well as the m&p 15?

Simple answer:
No.

Slightly longer answer:
.22 Long rifle 38gr HP, 1,260ft/s, 134 ft-lbs, little if any fragmentation

5.56mm 75gr BTHP, 2910ft/s, 1410 ft-lbs, significant expansion/fragmentation

It's basic physics. How many LEO/Mil organizations perform dynamic entries with a .22 LR?
There's a reason.
 
You made a great choice in a handgun. A beauty queen, they are not, but a G19 with modern +p FMJ is a good reliable choice for a CCW and home defense handgun and is my EDC. The OP's .38sp with similar ammo is also a great force against an intruder.

And yes, join the NRA! We need a legion in these times!

Congrats on your two weapons!

I hope you mean JHP not FMJ.:eek:
 
this is what i am having trouble believing. at a close ranged home defense scenario the velocitor rounds would go THROUGH the large massed introduer's body, would they not?

if so then no man can survive center mass hits like this, especially since there will be very little recoil with the 15-22. you will probably destroy every single organ in a few seconds unloading all 25 rounds from the rfile.

this is pretty much how i am justifying using the weapon in home defense. lowl recoil and rapid firing would equate to a very high percentage of center mass hits. and again, i am assuming that the velocitor penetrates through.

It will work, I would not want to stand in front of a rimfire rifle while the shooter unloads 20+ rounds. With that said I think you really need to see what the difference is, not on a video but at the range. I have had the opportunity to set up water jugs and compare defensive rounds. The most interesting target we put up were heads of cabbage. The .22 rimfire leaves a nice hole, an impressive trama chanel. The 9MM and 45 cal destroys the head. My .308 rifle makes cole slaw. There is nothing left but small shredded pieces. I own the 15-22 and love it, I would not hesitate to use it if the need arrised, but it would not be the first thing I reached for. I also would not recomend selling it unless that was your only option for purchasing a larger caliber rifle, better to save some money and have both.
 
it's like deja vu all over again. lol

25 shots center mass is great...at the range, but in the dark, moving targets, possibly obstacles in the way, and in a high stress, high adrenaline moment, with family about.. might be a different story. You better hope he isn't doped up, has a bigger gun, or is a better shot than you... or even worse.. have military or le training. What if there is more than one intruder? I want to take the least amount of shots I need to neutralize the threat. Too many variables to think about.. so I'd go with something more definitive, like a shotgun if I had to pick one.

Hypothetically, if I was a thief and someone hit me with a 22LR and unless they got a killshot on me.. first thing I would do is take cover and not let him hit me with 24 more shots. Then I'd proceed to take my gun and spray towards the guy shooting at me... but then again this is all hypothetical.
 
I see no problem with owning an m&p 15-22, even if your a father or a grand father for that matter. The .22 is lots of fun and its the size rifle that most of us learned how to shoot to begin with. Its just an all around fun caliber and you being in AR formatt just makes it twice the fun, IMO. Its cheap as heck to shoot and it doesnt make much noise at all.

You just simply can't go wrong with having a .22 in your home. And I dont care what age u are, lol.
 
last week i went to purchase my first revolver (38 special) for simple home defense and impulse buy got a hold of me. i asked for a fun .22 rifle that looked cool and by chance they had the m&p 15-22 MOE in stock so i grabbed that as well.

I think you should sell it because it is not manly enough. I'll help you out and buy it from you so that you can put that money towards a .50 cal Desert Eagle. PM me.
 
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I wouldn't grab an AR for home defense. That's the job of the Glock 20.

If it makes you feel better about your choice, two weeks ago I sold my Daniel Defense M4 and replaced it with a 15-22. And an SR-22. And 10 mags for the 15-22. And 3 extra mags for the SR-22. And a Crimson Trace for the SR-22. And 20,000 rounds of 22 LR. And $750 back...

I don't miss the AR at all. Way more fun shooting the 15-22.
 
it's like deja vu all over again. lol

25 shots center mass is great...at the range, but in the dark, moving targets, possibly obstacles in the way, and in a high stress, high adrenaline moment, with family about.. might be a different story. You better hope he isn't doped up, has a bigger gun, or is a better shot than you... or even worse.. have military or le training. What if there is more than one intruder? I want to take the least amount of shots I need to neutralize the threat. Too many variables to think about.. so I'd go with something more definitive, like a shotgun if I had to pick one.

Hypothetically, if I was a thief and someone hit me with a 22LR and unless they got a killshot on me.. first thing I would do is take cover and not let him hit me with 24 more shots. Then I'd proceed to take my gun and spray towards the guy shooting at me... but then again this is all hypothetical.

only james bond can take a bullet, find cover, and return fire. the typical thief will be paralyzed with fear and flee. i don't think james bond has me on his target lol!

i like your scenario, though. i think it actually strengthens the case of using the 15-22 over a revolver. you get 25 rounds to spray and pray instead of 6 that requires some precision. that would be quite hard in the dark waking from your slumber. the bigger weapons will also blind you and be defeaning inside the home, so that might further be disorienting.
 
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Keep the 15-22. Ammo is cheap and still available. Good luck finding223/5.56 ammo. I only have about 150 rounds now and cannot find any more bulk ammo. The 15-22 is not a .50 cal by any stretch. It's a plinker that is fun to shoot and a good AR-15 substitute that allow you more range time.

Shooting is fun. Shooting 20 rounds and going home because you have no ammo sucks.
 
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