First time shooting mine today- 30 ftf's

[WarpedWheel]

I got mine finally on Tuesday and came over to my brother's house today to try it out. The only ammo I could find locally was Federal Champion high velocity. I can't remember if that is on the list of bad ammo, but I had 30 failure to fires out of 100 rounds. Gun was cleaned and oiled prior to shooting. To make sure my terminology is right, I would shoot a few rounds, then try to pull the trigger and there was no pull on it. There was a one in the chamber ready to go though. I just went out to verify again and I had 5 ftfs in 10 rounds. I'm going to go find some CCIs if can.
Any ideas? Am I just an idiot?

 

[swood0580]

Did you happen to look at the rounds that didnt go off to see if the rime of the shell was it or if the gun didnt cycle all at?

 

[Dragon88]

Have you made any modifications to the gun?

 

[wolverine]

Afternoon WarpedWheel

It sounds like your gun is short stroking a bit & not moving the hammer back far enough to be caught by the sear disconnecter.

That could be due to the ammo you are shooting or due to a tight chamber, or something in the bolt or bolt guides.

Try some different ammo first & see if you can get it cycling correctly, if so it will probably break in & get better the more rounds you put through it.

If it doesn't break in & work correctly then call S&W for their advise.

I won't recommend anything outside of lubrication & shooting as that is the job of S&W.

If it were my (personal) gun I would first try putting about 500 high velocity rounds through it. If that didn't help I would try buzzing the chamber with a brass cleaning brush on a short cleaning rod in a cordless drill. Then next thing I would is try lightening the hammer spring a bit so the hammer re-sets easier. (this isn't a recommendation just what I would try if it were mine)

 

[10mm Shooter]

I got mine finally on Tuesday and came over to my brother's house today to try it out. The only ammo I could find locally was Federal Champion high velocity. I can't remember if that is on the list of bad ammo, but I had 30 failure to fires out of 100 rounds. Gun was cleaned and oiled prior to shooting. To make sure my terminology is right, I would shoot a few rounds, then try to pull the trigger and there was no pull on it. There was a one in the chamber ready to go though. I just went out to verify again and I had 5 ftfs in 10 rounds. I'm going to go find some CCIs if can.
Any ideas? Am I just an idiot?

Your choice of ammo was not the best in the world - as a suggestion, I would run a 100 rounds of CCI High Velocity through it before making any decisions on your part...

 

[Majorlk]

Your choice of ammo was not the best in the world - as a suggestion, I would run a 100 rounds of CCI High Velocity through it before making any decisions on your part...

I seriously doubt it's an ammo problem, especially with Federal Champion. There's probably more of that run through 15-22s than any other brand. I've had exactly one FTF in the last 2,000 rounds through mine and one in the last 3,000 in other firearms. That makes two in 5,000 rounds.

I'm betting on a firearm malfunction, with an overlubed BCG as the first suspect- most likely greased rails and bolt body. Sure sounds like short-stroking as someone else mentioned.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

You might take a look at this link for cleaning and loading tips. It is really quite informative for folks who have recently purchased a 15-22.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/125703-m-p-15-22-instructional-video-series.html

 

[lild9ve]

this is the federal ammo i bought from wal mart and went through it all between thursday and friday no ftf or fte

 

[jb1968]

I have been running the same federals through mine without any FTF's at all.
Get some CCI's and see how it does just to break it in......If the CCI's fail then it looks like you need to contact S&W.

 

[WarpedWheel]

Thanks for the info guys! I found some CCI's that I'll try and check out that link. I'll update next time I can go shooting.

 

[WarpedWheel]

Have you made any modifications to the gun?

Just a little bit of grinding here and there to make it full auto.
Just kidding, its brand new. No mods planned besides a Hogue grip and extra magazines.

 

[jb1968]

+1 on the extra mags!

 

[PapaChop]

That's the same Federal I shoot. Out of 3 boxes of 550, I've had probably 5 or 6 FTFs. One double-feed, rest were just FTFs that shot fine when reloaded (probably were a bit canted in the magazine or soemthing).

 

[WarpedWheel]

Did you happen to look at the rounds that didnt go off to see if the rime of the shell was it or if the gun didnt cycle all at?

The shells came out perfectly untouched. In one magazine I had 13 that I had ejected. I inspected them, loaded them in the magazine and cycled through. The ftf ratio was the same as with fresh ones out of the box so I would think it wouldn't be the ammos fault. I won't rule anything out though until I try the CCI mini mags.

 

[butcher1]

Well, you say the trigger has no pull, is the trigger not resetting, do you have to push the trigger to reset it, or the trigger pulls but won't fire? Since the round is ejectimg and the next one is chambering, I wouldn't think short stroking. If the trigger is not resetting, I would think return spring, burrs, cleaning.
Just my thoughts.

Lee

 

[Brahzilla]

I would look for some Blazer ammo made by CCI. Its cheap and I ahve had 0 problems with that in my 22.

 

[dannybot]

Sometimes I have had an issue with trigger nor resetting but I oiled the pivot and return spring, and seems to have helped. Also my gun loves Blazer ammo, but hates Winchester 333/555, accidentally got some of the Winchester mixed I'm, and each time the 333's came up, they would jam.

 

[wolverine]

Afternoon Lee

Actually the 15-22 is very capable of short stroking just enough to eject the spent round & chamber a new round but stopping short of re-setting the hammer.

Mine will do this pretty regularly when shooting Remington sub sonics.

 

[butcher1]

Afternoon Lee

Actually the 15-22 is very capable of short stroking just enough to eject the spent round & chamber a new round but stopping short of re-setting the hammer.

Mine will do this pretty regularly when shooting Remington sub sonics.

I'll agree with that, I was just thinking of what the op said about the trigger having no pull, and in that case, it could very well be short stroking, among other things.

Lee

 

[WarpedWheel]

Afternoon Lee

Actually the 15-22 is very capable of short stroking just enough to eject the spent round & chamber a new round but stopping short of re-setting the hammer.

Mine will do this pretty regularly when shooting Remington sub sonics.

This is what it sounds like it is doing. It is chambering the next round, but not resetting the hammer so you can't pull the trigger.