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Thanks, Flop! Fully cognizant of the risk of being accused of cronyism, I say, "Back atcha!"
Flying Ashtrays
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flop-shank
US Veteran
Not only cronyism, but with a couple lawyers!!! I'm sure to hang for this!!!!
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photocosmo
Member
Before you guys get 86'd I wonder if you can recommend just shooting .45ACPx230g.FMJ for everything and anything?
Erich
Member
No.
G
Guest
That should be <span class="ev_code_RED">NO!!!</span>
Erich
Member
Yes, but I'm working on my tone.
flop-shank
US Veteran
Before I finish my last cigarette
G
Guest
I can say that 230gr Hardball does work just fine on Wild Boar if the placement is right! One behind the ear will do the trick but I have no doubt that there was lots and lots of Luck involved in the shot. It was Lucky that I was there and Lucky I was armed and likely very Lucky I had been shooting for the last several months on nearly a daily basis.
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photocosmo
Member
[/QUOTE] Before I finish my last cigarette
, I would say to only use ball for self defense in a .45 if that is all the gun feeds well.[/QUOTE]
Since they are all S&W's they eat everything thank you!
Since they are all S&W's they eat everything thank you!
G
Guest
Back when "Uncle" was footing my ammo bills I have been known to fire up 10K+ worth of ammo in a day during training and so likely had a couple of Years where I was pushing 1/2M in fired ammo but then I wasn't footing the bills. As for yellowf4, well,
I'm with the SWATLt on this one and figure you can burn up lots of "ammo" at a video arcade or on your home computer. I've known people who have claimed to have 100K flight miles but when you nail them down it is "Simulator" time and flying a computer just isn't even the same. I seen more than one of the very high end Simulators and as good as they are they just ain't the same because you can get up and walk away or push the restart button and you haven't totaled a multi-million dollar$$$ aircraft.
We live in a "Do Over" & "Time Out" society because that is what the schools/TV/Movies have produced. My BS detector was ringing load and clear on his comments. Also, I've looked as some of his other comments and they all seem to carry the same level of nonsense!!!
I'm with the SWATLt on this one and figure you can burn up lots of "ammo" at a video arcade or on your home computer. I've known people who have claimed to have 100K flight miles but when you nail them down it is "Simulator" time and flying a computer just isn't even the same. I seen more than one of the very high end Simulators and as good as they are they just ain't the same because you can get up and walk away or push the restart button and you haven't totaled a multi-million dollar$$$ aircraft.
We live in a "Do Over" & "Time Out" society because that is what the schools/TV/Movies have produced. My BS detector was ringing load and clear on his comments. Also, I've looked as some of his other comments and they all seem to carry the same level of nonsense!!!
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photocosmo
Member
Is the purpose of HP to limit penetration or maximize effect?
Respectfully, coz'
Respectfully, coz'
flop-shank
US Veteran
Both.
G
Guest
Yep, and if it comes apart like the old Black Felon Bullets did then so much the better, in my opinion. If the Bullets stays together then it will penetrate a bit further so it's all a trade-off depending upon how you look at it.
The Glaser Safety Slugs are designed to do nothing but come apart and they do just exactly that! I once made the mistake of firing one of these from a Model 19-3 at a rabbit and there wasn't enough left to pick up. The rabbit was about 10 feet from my muzzle. Blood and Fur in about a two foot circle as long as you looked closely.
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photocosmo
Member
But couldn't a person be well served by consistantly shooting 45ACPx230g.FMJ? You know, considering cost, variable use (target Competition, SD,) and availability?
flop-shank
US Veteran
Handload FMJ and Hollow points. That's what I do. That's what I advocate.
G
Guest
I don't "Carry" handloads but I do handload and that allows me to shoot a whole bunch more than I can afford to do if shooting only Factory loads.
IMO there are way too many people buying something like a Dillon Progressive Press(I'm not blaming the Dillon folks for a minute because they aren't suggesting people do this and they aren't the only folks making High Production and Expensive Progressive machines) and then turning around and "Marketing" their leftovers as Factory "Re-Manufactured Ammunition" but the problem with almost all of these one or two man outfits(or little family operations) is that they don't carry a dimes worth of Insurance and then they set themselves up as LLC businesses and if one of their reloads blows up somebodies gun they just sit back and declare "bankruptcy" and turn around and reopen under another name. They simply print new labels for the old boxes of ammo and the same thing is likely to happen again and again.
But, "One Load" doesn't fit everything so buying and carrying or loading only FMJ ammo isn't an answer!!!
Here is what I have always referred to as a flying ashtray. The Speer #4477 200gr. Jacketed Hollow Point. The loaded rounds are .45LC with 10.6grs. of W231. The load was developed for a Winchester 94 Trapper.
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photocosmo
Member
Those are cool lookin' bullets; like evil jet engines ready to fly! What is it that makes them expand then?
Soft fleshly material
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