For concealed carry S&W 60 over Sig 365. Why?

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From my experience, the best weapon for concealed transportation and self defense is the Smith & Wesson Model 60 cal 357 Mag. 2-inch revolver.
Reasons:
1. It is a weapon that never fails.

2. You are always ready to shoot immediately by simply pressing the trigger.

3. Being a 357 Mag. Caliber, it allows the use of 38 Spl + p + reloaded ammunition. Or the one that you feel safe and at ease knowing that you are not going to damage your weapon.

4. It is stainless steel, this allows you to use it in a hidden way without worrying about humidity or acid manipulations that will not damage your weapon. Doing minimal maintenance.

5. It weighs only 21 ounces, which allows you to carry it very comfortably, you forget that you carry it in a waist cover and you can eventually carry it in a pocket of a jacket or pants. The weight will help you control the weapon.

6. The FBI maintains that having 5 ammunitions in your weapon is sufficient for any defensive confrontation. The fact is that the forensic statistics show that all the shootings the first 2 or 3 shots define your luck. Either you shot or dissuaded your attacker or you were shot.
We are talking about self-defense, that is, the immediate response to a surprise attack in a city environment. Not in attacking, that is, not in an offensive but a defensive confrontation.

7. A great advantage of the revolver over the pistol, which is little talked about, is that you have your revolver loaded so you can keep it that way for months on your light table next to your bed and when you need to defend yourself, you just have to take your gun and press your trigger and voila. While a gun requires that you empty your magazine at least once every 15 days and rotate it, this is to let your magazine spring rest, otherwise the reliability of the gun can be highly compromised by what is Engineer calls "fatga of materials".

8. The S&W Model 60 is very accurate.
I am an experienced average shooter, and I can group the full load of 5 shells into 2 inches at 15 yards with a 2 second time between shots. Holding the weapon with one hand.

 9. So why do I want a Glock 19 or a Sig 365 ?, I have no better stopping power, no better trigger, I only gain in firepower, this is having more ammunition, this will not add me for self defense.
 Another serious thing for police or military use, in which the scene of carrying out acts of attack on crime is a possible scene or the confrontation against a gang of criminals who act in a commando manner. But none of this is an expected scenario for a defensive civil citizen.

In any case, the flat revolver in 2 "or up to 4" is a valid military and police option as a second weapon. In fact it is a frequent practice to carry a revolver, as a second weapon. In the Vietnam War the Model 60 was in frequent use, both for officers or troop personnel as a second weapon.

Detectives of Special Agencies in covert activities, was a frequent practice as a hidden primary weapon, both the model 60 and Chief 36, or any of the J frame versions.

10. I think it appropriate to remember, the concept that one thing is self-defense and another is combat or aggression. In other words, it is one thing to respond to an attack or a threat. And another thing is to enter a combat confrontation.

11. Remember the FBI's premise: "the first 2 or 3 shots define the defensive confrontations", or you killed or dissuaded the threat or you were killed, so in any of the 2 scenarios, it is not necessary and you will not use the rest of ammunition.

12. By the way, there is a psychological factor that weighs and helps in a confrontation. So if you feel safe carrying a Glock or a Sig 365, or another weapon with 19 ammunition, it is valid. But for the security and attitude of feeling safe with what he carries.

13. Experts and facts demonstrate that the skill of the shooter is much more important and defend the result in a confrontation than the weapon that is handled, as long as the weapon is reliable.

A skilled marksman makes deadly impacts with a 22 lr pistol.

I am not inviting or suggesting you drop your 9mm for a 22 lr. I say that if you face a trained and determined professional opponent or shooter, you will not be in advantage even if you carry a much more powerful weapon, with more firepower, latest model.

14. That is why it is so important that you practice as much as possible with your chosen weapon, and that you master it as an extension of yourself. So the aesthetic factor and personal taste also matters. The weapon that you choose to carry must like you, it must be reliable and you must know the benefits and limitations of your weapon.

15. One final thought, the best weapon is the one you choose to carry skillfully. Depending on the circumstances, this also includes choosing not to carry a weapon.
 

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One Point

Your post is a bit long for a thorough response. One point I'd like to make is that I've left magazines loaded for years at a time without incident and with full reliability. Don't know where you got the information that magazines must be unloaded and relaxed every 15 days.
 
You forgot about the tiny wee little grip that will have you re-grasping the pistol with every shot fired, thus extending the time you can shoot.

Personally I enjoy shooting my Model 36. It's a challenge to shoot well with but a rewarding little pistol. However the tiny grip is a deal breaker for me. Yeah I know that larger grips are available, problem is they require a shift from pocket to waistband.

I have not ever had my Ruger LC9S fail and an extra 3 rounds does provide a bit of extra re-assurance. Which is why I keep one in my pocket.
 
Your first point is problematic since revolvers do fail. With good quality, properly maintained guns and good ammo, I think there is far less difference between revolvers and semi-autos in terms of reliability than many seem to suggest.

At the end of the day, they each have their strengths and weaknesses. People have to decide for themselves which combination suits their needs/wants.

This is aside from the fact that this has been discussed maaaaaaaaaany times.

Is it time for another caliber debate?

:D
 
The OP's post has started hundreds of articles in the gun rags for many decades.....only forgot to have a best caliber for bears in it!

Randy
 
Just in order of what I disagree with...

1) All weapons can fail... revolvers included. To say otherwise is living in a dreamworld.

2) The external safety is an option on the P365... so I’d call that one a draw.

4) The P365 has a blackened stainless slide.

5) I’m guessing that is unloaded weight, since it is similar to S&W’s website (21.4 ounces). The P365, unloaded with a 10 round magazine, weighs 17.8 ounces. Unsure of what you are going with that. My 9mm 642 weighs 14.4 ounces... some argue too light to shoot. Personally, I prefer a lighter gun since I carry it most of the time.

6) Find me the guy that said, “Man, I walked into this gunfight with too many rounds!” My gun holds five... carry either two or three reloads on me, with an extra moonclip in my truck.

7) As stated, magazines don’t need to be downloaded. My duty gun (H&K P2000) has magazines that are left loaded anywhere from six months to a year (our qualifications have been suspended due to COVID-19, so might not shoot again until we switch to the new Glocks). When I go back in on Wednesday, I know that gun will fire every round on my belt... and the one magazine on my vest, without issue.

8) I’ve yet to hear anyone with a P365 complaining about accuracy. Most handguns are more accurate than the shooter.

9) Unsure what you are going with here, but go back to #6. Still, L/E tend to be issued a firearm... and not usually going to be having a P365 for duty use. Unsure about the scenario you are talking about, but I carry a similar gun (J-frame) most of the time off duty (I did switch in a Glock 30S over the winter, since I could hide it better with heavier clothes).

In regards to the other two paragraphs, L/E may carry revolvers as backups. Depends on a lot of different things. Does the agency allow a backup gun (mine does not... hell, we can’t even fly with a personal weapon)? If they do, who supplies it?

That’s all well/good that previous generations of L/E carried J-frames... but if someone carries a Glock 19, you’d be more likely to see a Glock 26 on their ankle than a revolver. Just for a capability standpoint... your primary gun takes a dump, wouldn’t you rather have your backup take the same magazines?

10) I think you are meaning something else... but are doing a bad job describing it. If I have to pull my gun, it is due to a threat. Some crackhead trying to steal money from me is on the same realm as me walking into a Walmart with an active shooter. Only difference is if I can... I’m grabbing the AR pistol in my truck with the latter.

Sorry, but when there is a threat, it is usually stopped by offensive action. Pulling your gun and firing is offensive. If you are going to try and not say it is aggression, think we are going to have to disagree on this. Might not be the original source of aggression, but it is aggression, nonetheless. Can’t cut that any other way.

11) I kind of stopped listening to the FBI after Miami... but go back to #6.

15) From like #12 on, I was chalking it up to your own view. Hey, you are allowed to believe whatever you wish. This one... kind of takes the legs out of your entire post. And I do not mean any disrespect... just pointing out what I see.

You mention carrying what you are skillful with. That is a great view. But didn’t you just try to argue how the 60 is better than the P365? I mean, if you want to carry a 60... good. [emoji106] I carry a 642. But if someone wants to carry a P365, and shoots it the best... what’s the problem?

But the part about not carrying a weapon... really get some disagreement from me on. The only time I don’t carry is when I go into Canada. When that happens, I stop into work... which is literally right before you cross the border... and toss my gun in my box. Come back through, stop in and grab it. While I understand there are times where you can’t carry... choosing not to does not put you in any sort of tactical advantage. If you are going to argue it that way... why carry at all?
 
To each their own. Rule #1 of Gun Fighting is to bring a gun, and you've most certainly got that covered.

Personally, I carry a SW40VE and a Ruger LCP. Do I need to carry a double-stack .40cal plus a micro .380? Probably not, hopefully not, but I can carry both of them comfortably, so why not?
 
Like the man at the carnival said "Ya pays your money, Ya takes your chances"

Carry whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy. For me personally, that's not a J Frame. YMMV
 
#5: The carry weight (fully loaded with round in chamber) of my SIG 365 with a 12 round magazine is 24.4 ounces. That is 0.4 ounces LIGHTER than my model 60-15 with five rounds. The difference in carry weight between the two firearms is insignificant.
 
#7. Metal fatigue requires resting the magazine at least once every 15 days???? Sorry - you lost me at that point.

He lost me too with that and I am a Mechanical Engineer. Springs fail due to cyclic stresses and a magazine sitting somewhere is not producing ANY cyclic stresses. If you keep the stresses in a spring below the Fatigue Limit it will last darned near forever. BTW, unloading and then reloading a magazine is exactly one Cycle, so doing as you suggest can actually shorten the life of a magazine spring by a few cycles.
 
I have both and don't typically carry either. S&W 360J rides along when light & small is important. SIG P238 fills the same niche - more often than the 360. Both are underpowered; I make up for that by staying home, a lot. Are we getting bored while stuck at home home? ... ;)
 

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