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NevadaBob said:
are now available. I ordered one for my SD9VE this morning.
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I've you've tried the Apex kit, let us know if it ends up noticeably lighter vs that. I'd probably try this one if starting from scratch but trying to figure out if buying this if one already has the Apex kit is worth it.
 
They come with 4 springs for the SDVE.

One more then the Apex kit.

They included a lighter sear spring which the Apex kit did not.

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I am curious to find out how it stands up to the Apex kit.

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NevadaBob said:
I've got the Apex kit in now. I'll post back after the install.
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I'd be interested to know how hard the install was as well. I am not very mechanical. My son, who is very mechanical, could do it for me, but I like to try things myself. Also, he said that if the trigger pull is reduced to between 3.5 and 4.5, that I would be playing with fire in a sd9ve because there is not safety. He does know more about handguns than I do, being a handgun novice, but I told him that I won't be putting my finger on the trigger unless I am gonna shoot, so it shouldn't be a problem. He seems to think that dropping it or hitting it on something could cause a misfire. Any thoughts?
 
badjuijui said:
I'd be interested to know how hard the install was as well. I am not very mechanical. My son, who is very mechanical, could do it for me, but I like to try things myself. Also, he said that if the trigger pull is reduced to between 3.5 and 4.5, that I would be playing with fire in a sd9ve because there is not safety. He does know more about handguns than I do, being a handgun novice, but I told him that I won't be putting my finger on the trigger unless I am gonna shoot, so it shouldn't be a problem. He seems to think that dropping it or hitting it on something could cause a misfire. Any thoughts?
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Striker fired pistols do not have the issue of discharging when dropped. That said, unless your internals are broken, or your finger (or other object snags it) is on the trigger, it won't fire.
 
Jyezahn said:
Striker fired pistols do not have the issue of discharging when dropped. That said, unless your internals are broken, or your finger (or other object snags it) is on the trigger, it won't fire.
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He said that you are right, he meant if I hit it against something and the snagged the trigger. I think he thinks I am gonna shoot myself. :)

I just purchased another little handgun that I won't mention the name of since this is a Smith and Wesson site, and it has a hammer and shoots double or single action. Single action is so smooth, and it is in the 3.5 to 4.5 range. I am having goose bumps now just thinking about my sd9ve shooting that smooth. I just may have to get that Galloway kit instead of the apex it if I can find some testimonials of people who have installed it. Old school boys keep telling me to keep the sd9ve the way it is and learn to shoot it with the pull I have.
 
Jyezahn said:
Everybody has their own opinion. It really boils down to what YOU want, not what they want. If you want to adapt to your belongings, or you want to adapt your belongings to you... it's your choice. ;)
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You're right, Zoomie (no offense, and I can't repeat what the grunts called us on the ship), and thanks for your service. I just have to have that smooth trigger pull, so I am gonna go for it. I think having the light pull on a weapon with no safety will make me that much more safety conscious. And I am seriously thinking about using the sd9ve for my CCW in cooler weather. Still waiting to hear back from Nevada on how the Galloway install went compared to the Apex.
 
We are on a brief jaunt up to Oregon. With postal tracking, I see that it is currently sitting in my PO Box back home! We'll be back Friday evening. I'll probably do the instal then...after driving 450+ miles! Will keep you all posted.
 
Returned last night from Oregon, opened the kit and got busy with the install. There are no instructions but the Apex video covers 3/4's of it. Now when it comes to the sear spring, that can be a challenge. I finally figured it out. I had to use a vise to act as a 3rd hand. Also, there is no slave pin for the trigger pin install. Luckily I kept mine from the previous Apex install.
This morning at the range the trigger felt pretty good. I wish I had a scale to measure the pull but I don't. This afternoon I went down to a LGS to see if they had one for a simple test pull. They didn't have one either.
My accuracy was better. I shoot 115 gr reloads. I'll be going back to the range soon and I'll keep you posted. I know that the trigger pull with the Apex was a little better than factory. I think this may be a tad better than the Apex. I'll have to get my hands on a scale to know for sure.
Galloway got this in the mail to me several hours after I purchased it online. Very quick shipping!
 
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Nevada, thanks for the update on the galloway kit. Sounds like it took the pull a little lower than apex, but not down to where it's a hair trigger. I look forward to you continued updates. I have never down nothing but a field strip with mine. Is the sear spring the one with several coils, and two wires coming off each end of the coils?
 
Yes, that's the one. It fits into the sear with those 2 wires under tension. In fact, on the Apex video, the guy doing the instruct on their product makes quick mention of it by stating something like "you don't even want to mess with that one".
 
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NevadaBob said:
Yes, that's the one. It fits into the sear with those 2 wires under tension. In fact, on the Apex video, the guy doing the instruct on their product makes quick mention of it by stating something like "you don't even want to mess with that one".
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Ok, that's the one that this guy at sigmatrigger.com has coming at the end of June. If you replace the stock sear spring with his, then he says your pull will be about 5.5 pounds. His spring has less coils than the stock one. He used to have youtube video on his website, but took it off after selling out a thousand in two weeks. He ordered more and they are supposed to be in the last of June and will cost 18 bucks. He does the spring on the sigmas as well, but it is different. I saw the video before he took it off and he had to "feel" the second wire going into place as he slowly moved it to the left. Anyway, he made it look easy, but I know it isn't. He advised to never replace the striker spring, and the sear is the only one that he redesigned.
 
I purchased a trigger pull scale and it should arrive tomorrow. I'm still doing some more testing with the Galloway and will report my findings soon.
 
badjuijui said:
He seems to think that dropping it or hitting it on something could cause a misfire. Any thoughts?
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No way with striker fired guns the striker by itself just doesnt have enough mass to build up a force required to set off the primer. Now toss in the firing pin block and it just wont happen ever unless there was a fault with the striker forced forward and stuck there along with firing pin block disabled.

It is a little different for striker fired guns that are SA though.
 
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Hi I just received my Galloway trigger spring kit today and installed it, I'm going to the range tomorrow to test my SD9VE out with the new sear spring. I already had the Apex spring kit in my sd but I was around 5.5 to 6lbs trigger pull. I only replaced the sear spring first today and I checked the trigger pull several times and I was getting around 4.5 lbs to right under 5 lbs. The trigger seems a little different now when I pull it, I'm not sure that I installed the sear spring exactly right but it seems to work when dry firing. I will report back tomorrow or the next day after testing at the range. Hopefully everything works fine. I'm tired of the long and heavy trigger pull.
 
cbr6864 said:
When you replace the striker you start getting light strikes
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Light strikes are possible, that's why testing is important. I have a lighter striker spring (and heavier recoil spring) in my Kahr and it runs 100%.
 
Final thoughts: Galloway vs. Apex... I finally got my Timney trigger scale. With the Galloway spring kit installed (all Galloway springs), my trigger pull is @ 6.25 lbs. They advertise 3.5 to 4.5 lbs.
I took out the Galloway kit and put back in the Apex spring kit. My trigger pull is @ 5.75 lbs. They advertise "about 5.5 lbs.".
 
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That sounds like a great product. I wonder if any forum folks have installed it?
 
UPDATE...UPDATE...I have deleted in my posts above references to the Galloway kit causing premature slide lock back with rounds still in the mag. It doesn't do that. I DID THAT! As I have been doing more testing between the 2 kits, installing/reinstalling trigger springs, I noticed that it is possible to not get the slide release spring/tensioner in the correct position. I refer to it as a "tensioner" because it is not shaped like a spring per se. One position has the tensioner barely seated against the removable upper/forward rail component. In this position, this is what caused my premature slide lock back. Reinstalling the slide release so that the tensioner has more of a "bend" or angle as it rests against the upper/forward rail component is apparently the correct position. This allows the slide release to be under the proper tension. The difference to the human eye is subtle, especially mine. Anyways, fired many rounds and nary a problem.
 
Did the trigger lighten up any with the Galloway kit? Before you said 6.25 lbs. for Galloway and 5.75 lbs. for Apex. How about the Apex kit with the Galloway sear spring?
 
That's how I have it now, been trying various combinations. With the Galloway sear spring and all other Apex springs, it's still @ 5.75 lbs. If I leave it alone at this point, maybe I'll call it a "Gallapex"! This is the lowest lb. rating I could get. I'm hoping some Galloway users will chime in to see if they're getting the advertised "3.5 to 4.5". Galloway seems like a good company, maybe I got a bad run.
 
I called Apex yesterday because I was buying their trigger kit and asked them the difference in pull force. They said, word for word: "There is no set force that we set the trigger pull to. All guns are made differently and each part is not 100% the same as another gun of the same model. The installation of our spring kit in the Smith and Wesson SD9VE can achieve up to a 35% decrease in the force required to cause the striking pin to fire. Again, it is up to 35% and the difference has been recorded to be as low as 20%. For me to give you a set number for the required force your firearm will require on the trigger is just not something I can give you with complete certainty."

I was amazed with how honest the person I spoke with was. People are saying that it is around a 8 pound trigger, getting 35% reduction would make it a 5.2 pound trigger and 20% would be a 6.4 pound. What I am trying to say is that Apex Tech admits there is a variation from gun to gun and kit to kit due to manufacturing errors (a spring that is supposed to be 1 inch long ends up being 1.002 inches, etc) so this is going to be the same for Galloway as well, I would assume. I'm just trying to shed some light on why you were not able to achieve Galloway's "lowest advertised numbers" because they are a company, they are going to advertise the best numbers they can. Just remember there is a lot of variation in manufactured products.
 
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