Galloway Precision Trigger Kits

[sleeves44]

Hi I just received my Galloway trigger spring kit today and installed it, I'm going to the range tomorrow to test my SD9VE out with the new sear spring. I already had the Apex spring kit in my sd but I was around 5.5 to 6lbs trigger pull. I only replaced the sear spring first today and I checked the trigger pull several times and I was getting around 4.5 lbs to right under 5 lbs. The trigger seems a little different now when I pull it, I'm not sure that I installed the sear spring exactly right but it seems to work when dry firing. I will report back tomorrow or the next day after testing at the range. Hopefully everything works fine. I'm tired of the long and heavy trigger pull.

 

[Short Bus Driver]

When you replace the striker you start getting light strikes

Light strikes are possible, that's why testing is important. I have a lighter striker spring (and heavier recoil spring) in my Kahr and it runs 100%.

 

[NevadaBob]

Sleeves44...Thanks for posting, I'm awaiting your findings!

 

[NevadaBob]

Final thoughts: Galloway vs. Apex... I finally got my Timney trigger scale. With the Galloway spring kit installed (all Galloway springs), my trigger pull is @ 6.25 lbs. They advertise 3.5 to 4.5 lbs.
I took out the Galloway kit and put back in the Apex spring kit. My trigger pull is @ 5.75 lbs. They advertise "about 5.5 lbs.".

 

[Short Bus Driver]

I wounder how the sigmatrigger.com spring would work with the Apex kit

SD40VE SD9VE Hard Trigger Pull Spring

 

[NevadaBob]

That sounds like a great product. I wonder if any forum folks have installed it?

 

[NevadaBob]

UPDATE...UPDATE...I have deleted in my posts above references to the Galloway kit causing premature slide lock back with rounds still in the mag. It doesn't do that. I DID THAT! As I have been doing more testing between the 2 kits, installing/reinstalling trigger springs, I noticed that it is possible to not get the slide release spring/tensioner in the correct position. I refer to it as a "tensioner" because it is not shaped like a spring per se. One position has the tensioner barely seated against the removable upper/forward rail component. In this position, this is what caused my premature slide lock back. Reinstalling the slide release so that the tensioner has more of a "bend" or angle as it rests against the upper/forward rail component is apparently the correct position. This allows the slide release to be under the proper tension. The difference to the human eye is subtle, especially mine. Anyways, fired many rounds and nary a problem.

 

[Short Bus Driver]

Did the trigger lighten up any with the Galloway kit? Before you said 6.25 lbs. for Galloway and 5.75 lbs. for Apex. How about the Apex kit with the Galloway sear spring?

 

[NevadaBob]

That's how I have it now, been trying various combinations. With the Galloway sear spring and all other Apex springs, it's still @ 5.75 lbs. If I leave it alone at this point, maybe I'll call it a "Gallapex"! This is the lowest lb. rating I could get. I'm hoping some Galloway users will chime in to see if they're getting the advertised "3.5 to 4.5". Galloway seems like a good company, maybe I got a bad run.

 

[jpendergrass1]

I called Apex yesterday because I was buying their trigger kit and asked them the difference in pull force. They said, word for word: "There is no set force that we set the trigger pull to. All guns are made differently and each part is not 100% the same as another gun of the same model. The installation of our spring kit in the Smith and Wesson SD9VE can achieve up to a 35% decrease in the force required to cause the striking pin to fire. Again, it is up to 35% and the difference has been recorded to be as low as 20%. For me to give you a set number for the required force your firearm will require on the trigger is just not something I can give you with complete certainty."

I was amazed with how honest the person I spoke with was. People are saying that it is around a 8 pound trigger, getting 35% reduction would make it a 5.2 pound trigger and 20% would be a 6.4 pound. What I am trying to say is that Apex Tech admits there is a variation from gun to gun and kit to kit due to manufacturing errors (a spring that is supposed to be 1 inch long ends up being 1.002 inches, etc) so this is going to be the same for Galloway as well, I would assume. I'm just trying to shed some light on why you were not able to achieve Galloway's "lowest advertised numbers" because they are a company, they are going to advertise the best numbers they can. Just remember there is a lot of variation in manufactured products.

 

[NevadaBob]

jpendergrass1...Thank you for your comments. And thanks to Apex for being candid. With my current 5.75, I have no beef with Apex's stated numbers. I'm waiting to see if anyone out there is able to achieve Galloway's stated numbers or even close to it. It's awfully quiet out there re folks chiming in with their pull numbers. If the numbers don't come close to the "3.5 to 4.5", then someone needs to change their product advertising. Just like Apex is a good company, many people have been happy with Galloway and the products they provide.

 

[GKC]

I just purchased another little handgun that I won't mention the name of since this is a Smith and Wesson site, and it has a hammer and shoots double or single action. Single action is so smooth, and it is in the 3.5 to 4.5 range.

Is that a SAR B6 Compact, by any chance? It's OK to discuss other guns here!

 

[Model 15-4ever]

I have two SD40VE both with Apex kits installed. Didn't measure the trigger press beforehand. Using a Lyman Digital Trigger Pull Scale, I got the following (average of 5 presses):

SD40VE #1 - 6 lbs 8 oz
SD40VE #2 - 6 lbs 6 oz.

 

[Ape Hanger]

I'm getting 5.5-5.75lb pulls with the Apex kit.

 

[EBK]

modern pistols with a firing pin block safety do not have the issue of discharging when dropped. That said, unless your internals are broken, or your finger (or other object snags it) is on the trigger, it won't fire.

Fixed it for ya

 

[Austin Cole]

I installed a Galloway spring kit in my sd40ve. I followed the video on there site for the install, which I found was not to hard to complete. The trigger pull I had before the kit was 7.9lbs. After the Galloway trigger kit it was lowered to 5.2lbs. Took it out to the range and am very happy with the pull. Its still heavyer than my m&p shield but way better than before. For 30$ and a three day waiting for it to arrive time, it was worthwhile. I recommend Galloway.

 

[NevadaBob]

Austin...Glad to see that you got a 5.2. I'm still waiting for someone to post that has the advertised "3.5 to 4" numbers.

 

[krallstar]

I have the older SW40F. The sear block has only 1 spring in there. Must have come from the factory that way as the pins are staked. How do i go about getting them out without hurting the block.

 

[raymo2u]

sorry for reaping an old thread but has anyone used the apex kit and installed the galloway sear spring, they are selling it seprately now for $5 and i was thinking it might be worth it. being me pull is at 4lbs 12-14oz now i could onld only guess it would go around low 4's-high 3s range wich i would love. this is my range gun, not my EDC so no worries and im fairly competent with mechanics.
also any good/bad comments on their SS rod and springs? i was going to get the 20lbs (sd9VE) to outfit mine, as i think it would look better and match tge upcoming mag extensions from apex.

 

[mlk18]

Coming a little late to this party, but wanted to chime in anyway. I purchased 2 Galloway trigger kits just to play with. Neither kit reduced trigger pull weight and neither improved the trigger in any way. I used different SD's had a buddy install a kit in his just to make sure I didn't do something wrong, etc., etc. The Galloway kit was essentially like replacing factory OEM parts with factory OEM parts. I wrote Galloway about the issue and they were pretty glib about it. Then I started playing and began combining the Galloway kit and the Apex kit to see what kind of franken-kit I could put together. When it was all said and done the best combination (hands down) was to put the Galloway springs back in their plastic bag and just use the Apex kit. IMO Galloway dropped the ball on this kit and really should pull them from their site. Advertising 5lbs when it cannot produce anything better than 7.5+ lbs is false advertising. They did offer to give me my money back, so I appreciate that.