Georgia & non-resident CWP ???

[wittmeba]

Georgia governor just signed in a new pro-gun bill. Does anyone know or can post a link to information as to whether this will affect the non-resident permit acceptance?

Georgia does not recognize Va and I was wondering if this was about to change. I'd hate to go through the surrounding states and get caught up in Georgia.

The NRA site has not updated and probably won't until after July 1, 2014 - the effective date.

 

[gdnagle]

We usually get the updates here on the forum just keep a eye out for them. You can also check here but as of right now it still states no but if it was just signed it hasn't been updated yet. It will show on one of these when the database is updated.

Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps - USA Carry


GeorgiaPacking.org's Reciprocity Page


Georgia Gun Laws in Plain English on GeorgiaPacking.org

 

[wittmeba]

Thanks, gd.

As I read more it may be an issue with Va rather than Ga. But I am curious to know why it is not recognized. Va is pretty supportive of 2A.

We have a pretty aggressive VCDL President and perhaps I can ask if he is aware of the reasoning and what may be pending if anything.

 

[427mach1]

Thanks, gd.

As I read more it may be an issue with Va rather than Ga. But I am curious to know why it is not recognized. Va is pretty supportive of 2A.

We have a pretty aggressive VCDL President and perhaps I can ask if he is aware of the reasoning and what may be pending if anything.

I believe each state looks at all the other state's requirements and determine if they meet their own requirements. If the two state's requirements are similar, they tend to recognize each other's permits. If, however, one state has much more stringent requirements, they are not going to recognize a permit from a state with much less stringent requirements.

For example, suppose state A only requires that the permit holder have a pulse. State B, on the other hand, requires a pulse, 6 weeks of training followed by a demonstration of proficiency, and a successful background check. State A would likely recognize State B licenses, but since State B will obviously not accept State A licenses, they do not come to an agreement and there is no reciprocity on either part.

 

[Kentucky Dave]

As an aside prompted by "State B, on the other hand, requires a pulse, 6 weeks of training followed by a demonstration of proficiency, and a successful background check":

Are there any states which do require a state issued permit to carry concealed, which DON'T include a background check in the issuing process?

 

[luangtom]

The many points raised for reciprocity for carry-permits are valid, but what of nationwide acceptance of drivers licenses? Many states have varied and more stringent guidelines for attaining the drivers licenses we all have. Yet, nationwide acceptance is the common practice. Why the difference?

 

[wittmeba]

luangtom,

Well said. It would be interesting to see the specific differences between the various state laws regarding DL & testing.

Where is it stated that my Va license is good in NC for example? That is where we need to focus for the gun laws as well.

I believe I read where 38 states already honor others - why not all?

 

[GranCazador]

The new law goes into effect July 1.

GeorgiaCarry.org is where you want to be.

 

[SMSgt]

An out-of-state permit is either honored or not. If honored, it's the same as a resident permit. Have never seen a gun law that stated: "For state residents only."

There is either some permit-obtaining requirement that is an issue between GA and VA, or some "Honored only if other state honors ours" spat.

 

[Straightshooter2]

The new law does not, to my knowledge, affect reciprocity with any other state. I believe the problem between Georgia and Virginia is due to no training requirements to get a GA license. Since Georgia does not issue a non-resident license, if you have a Virginia license you're pretty much stuck...EXCEPT Georgia does honor a Utah non-resident permit. Simply apply for the Utah n-r permit and you're covered in Georgia. That still won't help anyone whose state doesn't have reciprocity with South Carolina as, the last I heard, they only honor resident permits.

Note: The Utah permit does require a class from an instructor certified by Utah but there are quite a few approved instructors in Virginia.

CW

 

[Straightshooter2]

An out-of-state permit is either honored or not. If honored, it's the same as a resident permit. Have never seen a gun law that stated: "For state residents only."

Actually there is one and it's a Federal law. The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 aka 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(3)(A) states:

18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A):

It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

Exceptions

Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(B):

[18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)] does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

My Georgia permit is valid in North Carolina but since I have to drive through a school zone to get to my son's house, my pistol has to be unloaded and in a locked container according to U. S. Code. Also note that LEOs, even though they have nationwide carry are not exempt from this law. Wonder how many LEOs are aware of this?

CW

 

[Houdini1953]

Actually there is one and it's a Federal law. The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 aka 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(3)(A) states:

18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A):

It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

Exceptions

Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(B):

[18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)] does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

My Georgia permit is valid in North Carolina but since I have to drive through a school zone to get to my son's house, my pistol has to be unloaded and in a locked container according to U. S. Code. Also note that LEOs, even though they have nationwide carry are not exempt from this law. Wonder how many LEOs are aware of this?

CW

I do not believe that driving down a public highway or street would constitute a school zone, however if you actually enter the school's property you would then be in a "school zone" a public safety issue is in place on speed restriction going near schools on public highways and streets but not 2nd amendment issues.