Good vs Bad years at S&W

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I have often heard that S&W revolver quality decreased when S&W was owned by Bangor Punta. Have also heard that when MIM parts came out, quality declined since you can't gunsmith those parts like solid steel parts.

My question is simply this: for what years were the S&W revolvers generally of lesser quality?

Thank you in advance for any info you may provide.
 
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Each gun is its own story, everything else is speculation and personal bias. I have old Gun Digests from the very early 70's wherein the author of the Hanguns section bemoaned lack of quality among Colt and Smith & Wesson, yet many people today praise them highly. The late gun writer Skeeter Skelton once wrote that people usually think guns produced twenty to thirty years before their current time period were somehow better, and that does seem to be a truism.

The 1980's were a low point for American manufacturing in general for a confluence of reasons, but I have S&W's from then that are a joy to shoot.
 
My own experience and others that I know of first hand was that Bangor Punta era form 1970 to 1978 was spotty. 1979 quality improved back to where it used to be. lear Siegler era was extremely spotty. For me it was very hard to find a new gun without blatant quality issues. I think I bought 18 new ones and only kept one from that era that is perfect in all ways.
 
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My own experience and others that I know of first hand was that Bangor Punta era form 1970 to 1978 was spotty. 1979 quality improved back to where it used to be. lear Siegler era was extremely spotty. For me it was very hard to find a new gun without blatant quality issues. I think I bought 18 new ones and only kept one from that era that is perfect in all ways.

What years was the Lear Siegler era?
 
What years was the Lear Siegler era?

I believe it was 1984 to 1987 when Tompkins bought them and by 1989 the quality improved greatly. Most noticeable was the finish on the Tompkins over the later. Not all L.S. era guns were bad but enough to turn me away and get into the 1911 game.
 
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Welcome! Let's take the short and the long views. :)

Having bought two unsatisfactory brand new guns during the LSI era, the reputation of the product quality during that era was probably justified. However, presuming the bad guns were fixed and the really bad ones replaced or even scrapped, I suspect you'll probably find nearly all guns of the BP or LSI periods currently available to be good to go.
 
This topic is certainly very interesting. I have been using, buying, collecting Smith and Wesson and Colt revolvers for almost 50 years. In that time, I have seen some pretty fantastic examples of quality in both firm's revolvers. I tend to be partial to Smith and Wesson and have, by far, more examples than Colt.

I have noticed that there were some examples purchased in the mid to later 70s that were not necessarily in the same category of quality of the pre-war era and of the post-war 50s era. My issue Model 15, built in 1972 was just exquisite..... perfectly timed and well finished. In fact, the finishes I noted on most of the Model 15s I saw, bought and used seemed to show exceptional finishes across the board. Some Model 19s seemed to be not as well finished as the Model 15s.

I noticed some rather gaping gaps in the fitting of the sideplates in many Models, even the Model 27, 29, and 57. One revolver though seemed to not have many of these issues and that was the Model 28, which showed rather exceptionally well fitted sideplates. I did notice that many Colt revolvers seemed to have some issue(s) with quality control and one Python I bought in/around 1977 had trouble getting the thumb piece to open, or closed to allow the cylinder to be opened or closed.

Colt was having labor problems with the Company and its work force during the 70s if I remember correctly. However, for the most part, I always thought that quality was always rather pretty good overall for both Smith and Colt. But, again, the thing that struck me most was the fit and finish of the Highway Patrolman. I have a few of them still and each time I look at them, I am struck by how well the sideplate fir and finish are so consistent.
 
I bought a brand new Model 34 in the early 80's. It had to go back twice but I've had it ever since and it works fine. It was out of time when I bought it and the cylinder would bind, front to back.
I remember hearing back then that S&W was having quality issues.
Then I had to ream the cylinders.
Now I'm glad I kept it. If I do my part it will still hit apple-size targets at 25 yards and it's surely had over 10,000 rounds through it. Maybe twice that. Maybe more.

My earlier Model 15 has always run like a sewing machine.
I had a 29 that was **** until I sent it back for a tune-up.
 
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I have 6 dating from 1970 thru 1975. (My high school years were 1970-1974) Models 15,18,19,27,28 and 29. They all show beautiful craftsmanship not seen today. Fit and finish were excellent. Just something special about blue and wood revolvers.
 
While some individual guns [like today] are hit-or-miss, I have yet to identify a period of lesser quality in the stainless guns which are my focus.
 
I don't have any pre-BP era S&W's. All wheelguns are 70's to late 80's, with the exception of my late brother's 640-1 and my EDC 442 NL.

So that means the vast majority of what I have are either BP or LS ownership era guns. 19's, 27, 28, 586's 686's, 629's, 14, 17, 25-2, and a 469.

All work and look great.

JMHO YMMV.
 
I have seen lemons from every pre-lock era and outstanding ones from every pre-lock era. It's a fools errand to attempt a determination of quality by year- only the individual gun can be assessed.
 
I owned a 3 1/2 inch Registered Magnum shipped to a FBI agent in 1936. In documents supplied by S&WHF was a letter that the agent to S&W asking the front sight be changed and also to check the gun as he had heard of incidents of RM coming open when fired rapidly with heavy ammo.
 
As a collector and shooter of the Model 41 (pins at my LGC) I have a few of my fellow members who have purchased late-production M 41s and have had all sorts of problems with all of them, ranging from FTF and FTE to not being able to hit the side of a barn from the inside with their pistols. Returning subject guns to S & W for QC-related issues only exacerbated these problems and left a lifetime of distaste in their mouths whereby they vowed to NEVER buy any more S & W products because their CS really sucks. Blueing on the later production guns is another issue that S & W could do better at to at least improve the looks of their products, if not their reliability. I'm not placing Colt high on the pedestal either here as they seem to have their share of poorly-manufactured guns being released to the public without, apparently, ever having been sent through the QC department. Now, we see Kimber is starting to recall some of their compact models as Henry has been doing for quite some time. The point I'm making here is that darned near all of our domestic firearms manufacturers are faced with some sort of a problem here and there but, in the end, it all boils down to quality control and customer service. If either or both stink, the out-the-door product will reek as well.
 
... I have a few of my fellow members who have purchased late-production M 41s and have had all sorts of problems with all of them, ranging from FTF and FTE to not being able to hit the side of a barn from the inside with their pistols.

Just curious- For your discussion, what would you define as "late-production"?
 
I bought a new model 63 in 1981...the extractor rod was 1/6" from fully engaging the lug. Took it back to the store and they swapped it out for a good one.

Robert
 
My collection runs from 1903 to 2009. I have at least one from every decade except the 1930's. I haven't noticed any significant differences. Obviously the wartime guns are rougher, but on the commercial side, they all seem to be the same.
 
I bought 2 new revolvers in the mid 80s, a 686 and 624...both were subject to recall. I still own them but they were my last NEW Smith and Wessons.
 
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