Grandpa's Remington 12C

[markeb]

While posting pics of the Outdoorsman box, it reminded me of my Grandpa's Remington 12C he purchased new from a hardware store in Louisville on 3/19/1930. I had always thought it was purchased from Belknaps same as the the Outdoorsman. Anyway, I have the 12c slidepump with the octagon barrel. I'll try and find a pic of the rifle. Check out the other items purchased along with the gun.

 

[DWalt]

If you shoot it, is best to use standard velocity .22 LR. I have a Model 12 which I seldom shoot, but I use SV ammunition when I do. That is because I have read that there is a weakness in some action component that can break if HV ammunition is used. True or not, I don't know, but I am not taking chances. .22 Short HV would probably be OK. The Model 12 can handle .22 S, L, and LR.

 

[The Norseman]

Standard Velocity

I too have read to use 22 Standard Velocity.
There is the chance the bolt top lug can crack
from High Velocity usage.

I too use only 22 SV now in my Rem model
12. I am unsure when my was made so
I don't want to take any chances.

Out of curiosity, what is the "C" designation
on the Rem 12C pump?

Thank you for posting the Owner's Manual.

 

[markeb]

This is what I found on the net:


Model 12 C (pistol grip stock, octagon barrel and crescent metal buttplate).

It's a semi pistol grip stock with a 24" octagon barrel.

 

[boykinlp]

While posting pics of the Outdoorsman box, it reminded me of my Grandpa's Remington 12C he purchased new from a hardware store in Louisville on 3/19/1930. I had always thought it was purchased from Belknaps same as the the Outdoorsman. Anyway, I have the 12c slidepump with the octagon barrel. I'll try and find a pic of the rifle. Check out the other items purchased along with the gun.

markeb, on the invoice it shows that he bought 1/2M short and long .22 cartridges. Am I right in thinking that means 500 rounds of each?
Larry

 

[2152hq]

Yes Rem Model 12 22rf pumps are rated for StdVel ammo only.
They were designed when StdVel ammo was the only thing on the market (1910) and were discontinued when Hi-Vel ammo came onto the market in the mid 1930's.
The were discontinued because the orig Model 12 action was not quite up to the job of handling the new HV ammo.
The M12 will sometimes crack the locking lug on the top of the breech bolt with the use of HV ammo.
Not a given that it'll happen, but there are many that have been damaged because of it.
Replacement bolts are expensive and there are a couple different styles.

The Rem Model 121 took it's place.
A near identicle rifle but with a larger locking lug on the bolt and matching recess in the frame. Plus the recv'r is a shade wider in spec to beef it up some.
Slightly larger stock dimensions as well.

The Model 12C is a beautiful rifle with it's oct bbl and slim pistol grip stock.
The 12A was the standard rifle with straight grip stock and round bbl
The 12B was the Gallery Special and so roll marked on the left side of the recv'r.
Cal .22Short
Oct bbl and with a pistol grip stock as well.
Several slight variations of the above in bbl length and finish.


The Model12CS was a 12C but in cal .22Rem RF .
Remingtons answer to the .22WRF catridge and actually the exact same cartridge. They just didn't want to mark the caliber on the rifle as a winchester brand.

All the different Models were available in the higher grades with Euro Walnut stocks, checkering and Engraving.

 

[markeb]

markeb, on the invoice it shows that he bought 1/2M short and long .22 cartridges. Am I right in thinking that means 500 rounds of each?
Larry

Larry, I really have no idea of the quantity of .22.

 

[alwslate]

The rifle pictured is a 12A. I have one and a 12C that has a 24" octagonal barrel and a curved steel buttplate. Same action. I did not realize until recently they were best used only with std velocity ammo. My 12A has been fired with HV with no ill effects but I will only use std velocity ammo going forward. Great classic .22 rifles.

 

[Rubone]

The chiffon robe was 3/4 the cost of the rifle! And at the beginning of the depression that was a lot of money for anyone to have!

And mine is a 12A just like the picture on the manual.

 

[45Smashemflat]

Funny, I read that as chifferobe - like a cabinet. A hardware store seems like on odd place to buy a chiffon robe.

 

[Rubone]

Funny, I read that as chifferobe - like a cabinet. A hardware store seems like on odd place to buy a chiffon robe.

You're probably right, it makes more sense. That term would not have been in use around here. However my Grandfather ran a general hardware and dry goods store and it could have been possible to buy a robe there back then!

 

[robvious]

mine is a restored 1924 12A . just like the one my father had, which my brother inherited... it is a hoot to shoot a tube full of 22 shorts out of it... but the most fun was when my dad let me have it up on grandma's farm for a week unsupervised.. he would not let me have rifle cartridges.. I had bird shot loads.. so I tromped thru the cut alfalfa field kicking up grasshoppers and shooting them on the fly... it was one of the greatest times of my youth...

 

[Buford57]

How's that hoe holding up?

 

[DWalt]

Funny, I read that as chifferobe - like a cabinet. A hardware store seems like on odd place to buy a chiffon robe.

I haven't heard that term used in a very long time. I think it means a freestanding closet or cabinet for hanging clothing in. It dates back to when most houses did not have built-in closets. Long ago we lived in an old turn-of-the-Century rental house with no closets. We now have a chifforobe in my wife's sewing room, it is at least 100 years old and very ornate. She keeps her quilting fabric in it.

 

[soFlaNative]

A shuffle hoe, coffee percolator and 3 in 1 for the rifle.
Grandad had a good day.