Grease for Slide M&P 9?

[wilkoi]

Hi all, this is my first post this forum. A quick background. I was out of shooting for over 30 years and am now retired and have the time and means for sport shooting.

My first purchase was a new Sig 229 9MM and it is back to Sig for repair. Persistent FTE for 600 rounds with all makes of ammo. Very disappointed with a new gun that enjoys such a reputation in the gun world. My first criteria for a gun is reliability, you can practice accuracy but dependable function must be built in.

My second purchase was a Ruger SR9c, 9MM, a wonderful firearm, accurate and fun to shoot.

Saturday I bought a new M&P 9MM range kit and am going to the range tomorrow and shoot.

I know from the manual for the firearm the lube points but nothing is listed for slide grease if it is required. The Sig is a pig for grease and requires lots of it.

My question: Does the M&P require a few dabs of grease in the slide grooves and frame rail for it to function properly?

Thanks all, Happy Shooting.

 

[S&W Rover]

Grease vs. oil is like .45 vs 9mm or Chevy vs Ford -- lots of opinions based on where you place value, but perhaps no definitive answer that works for everyone.

I've done a chunk of internet research and experimentation and came to the conclusion, which works for me, that oils are fine: I prefer Breakfree CLP (for the whole gun) and the thicker Breakfree CL (for the rails and friction points).

Others swear by greases like Frog Lube, TW-25, Brian Enos' Slide Glide, etc. -- even wheel bearing grease.

Conditions (do you carry? How hot or cold is it? Is the environment dry, or dusty? etc.?) have an impact on what you decide to use.

Owning an M&P9c, I can attest it works fine with Breakfree CLP and CL, and that grease is not needed. Grease on the rails would be fine, however -- I don't think there is a definitive answer that works for everyone. I am thinking the only iron-clad advice is to lube it before going to the range in every case.

 

[sierra255]

wilkoi,

I use "Rig" on my slides and have never had any issues & there are many good choice's available to you. I have a Sig P220-P228 & a .40 Shield and use Rig on all three.

_______________
Rodger
Retired LEO

 

[fred5876r]

I have shot a couple matches with temps in the low teens, using TW25B, and the guns worked perfectly (if low temp usability is important to you).

 

[model3sw]

I like just a light swipe of Teflon paste on the inside grooves / rails of the slide. It doesn't break down, is virtually friction free and contains NO silicates and NO petroleum products ... just in case the petroleum products ... over time ... might work on the injection mold plastic parts, Teflon paste has no petroleum content. It sort of looks like Vaseline but the difference is it is not gummy nor sticky. Test by rubbing a small dab between your fingers and rubbing together. Amazing stuff ! Comes in a silver colored plastic tube. Found in any hardware store.

 

[Justin69]

On my fs 9mm, I put a little Remington multi-purpose gun grease on my lube points & 1 drop of gun oil on each rail (spread out with a toothpick). This of course comes after I clean it with Ballistol. That stuff rocks!!!

 

[RussellD]

slide glide by brian enos. try some and feel the difference

 

[cellllman]

Wilkoi welcome, and you will probably get all kinds of lube ideas when this post warms up! I use Eezox on all my guns, long and short. It is a synthetic lubricant that does most everything except hard core fouling. When applied sparingly it dries to a very good lubricant and protectant.

 

[Keystone70]

I have both a M&P9 and M&P9c. I have shot them a lot (prob over 1000 rounds each.) I lclean and lube them exactly as the instructions say at the 7 points mentioned with regular gun oil. The first time out with each I experienced 1 or 2 mild jams. Nothing to complain about. I attributed them to break period. After that, they have both been flawless. Excellent reliability. Do not over oil them. They don't need it. I clean them after 100 or more rounds and reoil as above.

 

[Maddmax]

I have both a M&P9 and M&P9c. I have shot them a lot (prob over 1000 rounds each.) I lclean and lube them exactly as the instructions say at the 7 points mentioned with regular gun oil. The first time out with each I experienced 1 or 2 mild jams. Nothing to complain about. I attributed them to break period. After that, they have both been flawless. Excellent reliability. Do not over oil them. They don't need it. I clean them after 100 or more rounds and reoil as above.

Same here. I use regular gun oil on all my weapons. The M&P's don't require globs of grease & oil.

 

[Lost Lake]

I use micro-drops of oil on rubbing parts and TW-25 on the slide. Not much grease, I don't want to collect dust and grit.

If you Google M&P torture test or endurance test, you'll see some guys have run 5,000 or more rounds through theirs without cleaning them at all!

That's the kind of thing I look at. Sure a guy can use motor oil or Rem Oil and the gun may sit on a shelf or be fired 20 times a year. When the M&P can run thousands of rounds without cleaning, it probably doesn't care what you use....

 

[Revival]

I like to add a little Slide Glide Lite on the rail of my slides. I think it makes a big difference.

 

[budrichard]

"I know from the manual for the firearm the lube points but nothing is listed for slide grease if it is required. The Sig is a pig for grease and requires lots of it."

Perhaps that is your problem. I have 5 Sig's, none get grease, only Barricade as a lube/preservative, all function almost 100% and have been shooting SIG's for over 15 years now. How did you determine that "The SIG is a pig for grease and requires lots of it"?
Do you have the long extracter and/or checkmate magazines for your SIG. I know there have been unsubstantiated failures with the long extracter and substantiated (I believe) with Checkmate mags.
What ammo have you used. I know Win White Box 115 gr will cause a failure for my slide to lock oopen onmy MK25 once in awhile? We only use 124 gr Speer now in 9mm. The other SIG'a are all 40 S&W and get Winchester 180 gr White Box for practise and Win 180 gr Bonded for carry. All is commercially available Law Enforcement ammunition.
Most of what you read from websites selling grease products or from individual experience cannot be objectively substantiated and even Enos mentions that grease may retard an action. These modern pistols need to function without grease at the velocities of the slide/frame that they were designed for. Any slowing of this process will result in failures.
MY wifes Glock Gen4 G19 and M&P 9mm also recieve the same treatment but require 124 gr ammo to function reliably due to her wrist strenght.
I think grease in a modern pistol is a solution in need of a problem.-Dick

 

[wilkoi]

How did you determine that "The SIG is a pig for grease and requires lots of it"?

I called Sig and they sent me a schematic of where I should be applying grease for the slide. This is the reason I made that statement.

Not sure of the extractor type, gun is back at Sig. Have FTE malfunctions using Mec-Gar magazines I purchased and also the stock magazines.

I have been shooting 115Gr ammo and have malfunctions with Remington UMC, Federal Champion, Magtech, Winchester white box (the worst).

 

[all357mag]

Let's not come down too hard on Sig. I had a P226 9mm you couldn't jam. As for the grease, don't bother. A shot of GunSlick or any name brand gun lube will do the trick.

 

[had2]

I have the M&P FS in both 9mm and 45ACP as well as the Sig P229 E2 9mm. I clean them after every range session and lightly oil the friction points per manual recommendations with light gun oil. All work flawlessly. I never use grease.

 

[N4KVE]

Have FTE malfunctions using Mec-Gar magazines I purchased and also the stock magazines.

Mec-Gar actually makes the factory mags for Sig, & most other companies. GARY

 

[budrichard]

How did you determine that "The SIG is a pig for grease and requires lots of it"?

I called Sig and they sent me a schematic of where I should be applying grease for the slide. This is the reason I made that statement.

Not sure of the extractor type, gun is back at Sig. Have FTE malfunctions using Mec-Gar magazines I purchased and also the stock magazines.

I have been shooting 115Gr ammo and have malfunctions with Remington UMC, Federal Champion, Magtech, Winchester white box (the worst).

I will bet money that if you remove the grease from your SIG and use a light oil(Barricade), 124 gr Speer and Mec Gar mags, your SIG will function just fine.-Dick

 

[housejacket]

I'm not a high volume shooter by any stretch, but RemOil does the trick for me. I also thoroughly clean every gun after every session.