BillyJack2012
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What kind of groups are you getting at 100 yards? Are you using magnification?
Groups at 100 yards
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Haven't shot paper at 100 yards yet, but shot a five inch steel plate at that range yesterday using only red dot optic and consistently hit it nearly every time from the bench. I used Winchester M-22 and Federal bulk 40 grain. Had the gun zeroed at 25 yards and didn't hold high. Pretty accurate little rifle... so much so that its become more fun that rapid plinking at short range.
I can see a scope for this 15-22 in the near future. My other 22's have been staying in the gun safe lately... So has my AR 5.56.
I can see a scope for this 15-22 in the near future. My other 22's have been staying in the gun safe lately... So has my AR 5.56.
Majorlk
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My groups run 3 MOA, or a little under. This is with a 3-9x32 scope.
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BillyJack2012
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Thanks guys. I've been shooting relatively short ranges and letting my kid do shoot house stuff with the red dot. I'm now sighting it in for 100 yards with a 3moa dot and I was pretty all over the place. I had a VERY loose barrel nut that I tightened with my Tacticool22 wrench hoping to pull the groups together. Not a lot of luck the first time out. So bad I'm not even going to post what they looked like. I'll get out this week again since the dot is sighted in and see what I can do with it. Not expecting miracles with no magnification and a 3 moa dot but if I can keep it within 5 moa groups, I'll be happy.
Beuford T. Rimfire
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I have a 4 MOA dot and at 100 yards can I hit consistently within that dot with no magnification (occasional flyers excepted.) Anything covered by the dot is in danger. 4-5 MOA should be very doable with your setup. You could get 3 MOA or possibly slightly better with a scope.
MarkBrumbaugh
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3 MOA with a decent inexpensive scope.
AR-Getsome
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Doesn't the rear sight hole flip down and have a small sight hole for long range?
Maddmax
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BUIS I can keep nickle-quarter sized groups at 100 yards using CCI ammo.
Maddmax
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Being you had a loose barrel nut... Take it down and clean the whole weapon with the nut off and barrel out. You could have got dirt/grit in behind "things" and all you did was tighten things back down on the gunk. Clean the living daylights out of it and start all over. IT will help.
Maddmax
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Never cared for the "Dot" sights. I MUCH prefer Cross Hair sights.
Maddmax
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Remember. You do get what you pay for with any scope.
Maddmax
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There is a notch in the center (when the sight is standing straight up) on that rear sight. It WILL split to two different ranges for you.
I'd like to see a picture of "nickle-quarter sized groups at 100yds" with a 15-22.....
TheMaineEvent
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I use a 3-9x40 scope and can get a good grouping at a 100 yds. Typically, my groupings are about 5-6" in diameter with a few flyers mixed in.
AR-Getsome
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You flip down for larger sight. Up for smaller, And its still larger than a standard iron sight.
AR-Getsome
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Yes , I know that. Smaller hole for long shots. It is still larger than a standard ar type sight. But not by much. I was just rested on my backpack shooting at 100 yards.
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MarkBrumbaugh
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That must be a heck of a scope to get quarter sized groups at 100. Oh wait you said with bu? Pretty amazing.
Anyway the UTG bug buster 3X9 is a good scope for the money. I wouldn't put this on my deer rifle with worked up sub MOA loads, but for rim fire on a rifle that flexes a bit, it's more than adequate.
Turdducken
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Its doable keeping a nickle grouping, was getting about that at 75 yards last week.
Maddmax
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NOT amazing,PRACTICE. I'm NOT a weekend Hobby Shooter like many on here. I'm also an instructor. I've been shooting well for over 50+ years. I shoot in one weekend what some people shoot in a couple months. Make a BIG difference.
AS for scopes... I have more tied up in a couple scopes than some people have in their rifles.
Maddmax
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Makes a big difference when you don't mag dump the 15-22 and over heat the polymer parts. Makes a BIGGER difference if you use a higher grade ammo. The weapon is a weapon. NOT a toy to be beaten.
MarkBrumbaugh
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Well, ****, I'm going to have to expect a lot more from mine. While I bought it for fun, I'm a stickler for accuracy. Hence my collection of super accurate pellet rifles and pistols. If I can't cover my Rem 700 groups with a quarter at 100, I'm seriously unhappy. What if anything have you done to your 15-22 in terms of trigger, optics scope mount, etc.
I was thinking the same thing but anyone can fake a picture so I need to see a video or I'm calling BS.
Just a thought, but if you want to shoot for the best possible group, you've got to go at it the right way. With iron sights, you need to use soot off a candle, etc. to blacken the sights as that will help get a better sight picture. Use the smaller aperture of the rear sight. Place your eye relative to the rear sight the same way for each shot. At least in my experience, a 6'O'Clock hold (pumpkin on the fence post) allows me a much greater degree of precision than does a center hold of a black front sight against a black bullseye.
Using a good scope greatly simplifies getting good results at relatively long range using any .22 LR rifle. As Jim Carmichael once opined, "You can't hit it if you can't see it." A scope w/ sufficient horsepower helps. As an example, I once took a Leupold 6.5x20 off a varmint rifle and put it on a Ruger 77/22. With the 4x scope that it commonly wore, I could get 10 shot groups at 100 yds. of 2.0 inches or maybe a little less. With the higher powered scope groups ran down to 1.5 inches and were much more consistent. When I blundered on some really nice Winchester T-22's, I even got a few groups that went into slightly less than an inch. It was a real shock to me as I'd not expected that rifle to do so well. When I took the Leupold off that rifle, the scope that replaced it was a nice little Weaver 2x7 Wideview. That combination was much better suited to use in the woods and fields. And, on the range, it would still produce very nice 10 shot groups at 50/100 yds. Cool.
Regardless of whether one uses iron sights or a scope, using good marksmanship techniques common to shooting any rifle for group/score are requisite to getting good groups. Unless one is really really an excellent marksman, shooting long strings of fire, i.e., 10, 15, 20, 30 rounds is really taxing. Shoot groups of 5 to 10 rounds. Look at the average of those groups as indication of what that particular rifle/ammo combination will produce on target. And obviously, use a broad variety of .22 LR ammunition in searching for the best possible on target results. There really is a difference in how different rifles shoot different brands of ammunition. And while the high grade target type ammunition typically produces good results, it is not uncommon to find garden grade and even bulk packed ammo that will produce excellent on target results with particular rifles. The above 77-22 produced some of it's best groups w/ Winchester T-22's. However often very similar results were obtained using Remington Thunderbolt .22's. Odd I know, but that's what happened.
From what I've read at this and other sites, the 15-22 does not produce the level of accuracy as might be expected from a tricked out 10-22. From my perspective, that's O.K. I bought the 15-22 because I wanted a AR-15 styled rifle in .22 LR caliber that I could afford to shoot. I had confidence in it because of it being a S&W product. So far, I have been very pleased with it. If I develop strong interest in shooting it at long range, I'll go about a development plan similar to what I'd do with any other rifle that I wanted to optimize for a particular use.
The above rambling is brought to you courtesy of a honking big 20 oz. cup of hot homemade coffee, a full night of sleep, my taxes being finished w/ nothing owed (!!!) and this being my (drum roll) off day! I take full responsibility for the opinion expressed. :-;
Using a good scope greatly simplifies getting good results at relatively long range using any .22 LR rifle. As Jim Carmichael once opined, "You can't hit it if you can't see it." A scope w/ sufficient horsepower helps. As an example, I once took a Leupold 6.5x20 off a varmint rifle and put it on a Ruger 77/22. With the 4x scope that it commonly wore, I could get 10 shot groups at 100 yds. of 2.0 inches or maybe a little less. With the higher powered scope groups ran down to 1.5 inches and were much more consistent. When I blundered on some really nice Winchester T-22's, I even got a few groups that went into slightly less than an inch. It was a real shock to me as I'd not expected that rifle to do so well. When I took the Leupold off that rifle, the scope that replaced it was a nice little Weaver 2x7 Wideview. That combination was much better suited to use in the woods and fields. And, on the range, it would still produce very nice 10 shot groups at 50/100 yds. Cool.
Regardless of whether one uses iron sights or a scope, using good marksmanship techniques common to shooting any rifle for group/score are requisite to getting good groups. Unless one is really really an excellent marksman, shooting long strings of fire, i.e., 10, 15, 20, 30 rounds is really taxing. Shoot groups of 5 to 10 rounds. Look at the average of those groups as indication of what that particular rifle/ammo combination will produce on target. And obviously, use a broad variety of .22 LR ammunition in searching for the best possible on target results. There really is a difference in how different rifles shoot different brands of ammunition. And while the high grade target type ammunition typically produces good results, it is not uncommon to find garden grade and even bulk packed ammo that will produce excellent on target results with particular rifles. The above 77-22 produced some of it's best groups w/ Winchester T-22's. However often very similar results were obtained using Remington Thunderbolt .22's. Odd I know, but that's what happened.
From what I've read at this and other sites, the 15-22 does not produce the level of accuracy as might be expected from a tricked out 10-22. From my perspective, that's O.K. I bought the 15-22 because I wanted a AR-15 styled rifle in .22 LR caliber that I could afford to shoot. I had confidence in it because of it being a S&W product. So far, I have been very pleased with it. If I develop strong interest in shooting it at long range, I'll go about a development plan similar to what I'd do with any other rifle that I wanted to optimize for a particular use.
The above rambling is brought to you courtesy of a honking big 20 oz. cup of hot homemade coffee, a full night of sleep, my taxes being finished w/ nothing owed (!!!) and this being my (drum roll) off day! I take full responsibility for the opinion expressed. :-;
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First and only time shooting at 100 yards. Stock iron sights from the bench with CCI standard velocity on a 6"X10" target. Front sight post completely covers the paper.
That's exactly the type of grouping I'd expect with iron sights at 100yds with "regular" ammo from a 15-22.
I'm highly skeptical of anyone suggesting they can put a "nickel or quarter sized grouping" at a 100yds with a scoped 15-22, let alone iron sights. That being said, I'm open to being convinced otherwise and learning from the guy or gal getting that kind of accuracy from a 15-22. Show me a picture of that tight of a group at 100yds (I'll give the poster the benefit of the doubt that its real) and help me with the secret to that type of accuracy. Even if I don't have the skill to shoot that well with my 15-22 I'm very open to learning more about being a better marksman.
Consider me still a skeptic that a 15-22 can shoot that accurately (nickel/quarter groupings) at 100yards.
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Maddmax
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Match grade. You shoot with the big boys,you shoot the $$$ stuff or stay home.
Maddmax
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I've always done my own trigger work. Optics are buis off a FS MSR that cost more than half of what the 15-22 did. NO scope. I have NEVER mag dumped the 15-22 and broke the POLYMERE rifle & barrel in nice and slow. No flash hider to dissipate any muzzle blast. And the barrel is as Free Floated as you can make a 15-22.
Maddmax
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It's the difference between a 5 year competitive shooter and a once every couple month Sat. afternoon plinker.
