Gun control - my opinion

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I'm not sure if the lounge is the right place for posting this. But I'll take my chances. Every day we hear about gun control and the tragedies why we "need" it. I'm getting frustrated more and more every day...

A couple of days ago I posted following comment on my facebook walls.

Today I was reviewing the Navy Yard massacre and I would like to express my condolences to the victims' families. But I also want to tell you the painful truth about this incident. Yes, due to the fact that his mental issues were not taken seriously and thus weren't being reported, he was still able to purchase a firearm, hold a security clearance and therefore his job. Another thing that went wrong is that they had neither a metal detector/x-ray nor a manual bag check at the entrance. Therefore it was "an easy one" for him to get his weapon of choice on Government premises. Now, you can either love or hate Mr. Wayne LaPierre (Executive VP of the NRA) for saying that "only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun!" but he's right.

If the Government would allow individuals to carry concealed (everywhere at all times), than this massacre could have been prevented. Future massacres will be prevented, IF citizens are allowed to carry and take immediate actions if confronted with an active shooter. Of course not everyone is a warrior and runs towards danger. But no one is expecting this from you. On the other hand, no one will force you to carry either. It's your choice. If you dislike firearms, okay. It's your choice. But we need a law throughout all states that gives us the option. And before you now yell at me just remember one thing, if "feces are going down the drain," who you gonna call? Right, good guys with guns and you hope they make it right. But they will never(!) be on time and save all lives of innocent people if horrible things like that happen.

People need to learn and accept that this is the only option we have, to at least stand a chance to survive such an event. Passing more gun control laws will only restrict law abiding citizens. Criminals don't care about laws, that's why they are criminals. I understand that the anti gunners are firm in their opinion and believe they have more "followers" on their crusade. But just think about it by yourself for some time and even the greatest anti gun person should come to the conclusion that laws never affect the wrongdoing of criminals in any way. This world is a dangerous place; we have craziness, chaos and hate everywhere. Don't just rely on other people to protect you and your loved ones. You need to think about that and step up. Everything else would be naive.

This has nothing to do with Anarchy. This is called responsible gun ownership! And that can and will save lives!

Stay safe!

Jorge
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I think about to send it to several magazines (one I already did), newspapers and TV stations. I also hope the word will spread on facebook.

Now, this is not to talk about our politicians. This is meant to stop for a minute at whatever you do and ask yourself "what can I do to make this world a better place?"

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a tree huger. But don't some people understand that everything starts with them?

Why would a law reduce crime? Why would a law change peoples personality? I mean are we that far out of space in how we think these days?

Agree with me or not, but laws don't make a place better or worst. It's the people that live there!
 
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Got to agree with you. As has been stated over the last year or so,
The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
This has been proven over and over, time and time again. Those who are
against gun ownership by law abiding citizens seam to me to not
understand that firearms can be used to prevent crimes.

Awesome post, thanks man!!!!
 
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A law breaker is going to break any law that he wants to if he thinks he can. A law is`nt going to keep him straight only his moral compass will.
I don`t know the exact stats but it seems most if not all of these mass murders are done by nut jobs that are known nut jobs by aquaintances and family. Since the 1960s or so its next to impossible to keep them in asylums past a couple day hold. If they are protected and unreported they get a gun legally. Why is`nt there a drive to get them medical help and off the streets? Its the same as letting a bag of rattlesnakes loose in a mall. Ed gein the killer goul cannable in wisconsin in the 1950s was a well know nut by neighbors. I knew a guy that is in a mental asylum for the criminal insane. He had done a bunch of insane stuff and then went and knifed a woman and then turned himself in to the police and said I killed a commie. She lived. His father fought the system as they sprung him a couple times. His dad warned them at hearings they should never let him loose. They knew better. They let him loose and he knifed another woman to death. He claimed she was controlling his mind through the tv set. The system was definetly at fault on this one. Had he used a gun instead of a knife it would have been national news. It SHOULD have been national news as to how the system failed those women! Kicking him loose was the same as the system throwing a rattlesnake in a preschool.
 
Simply stated WE NEED MORE GUNS. If every bad guy KNEW that every person he encountered in traffic, on the sidewalk, in a public place like a theater or restaurant or store was carrying a gun and knew how to use it and was WILLING to use it I believe that crime would be greatly reduced.

Personally I have never understood the thinking behind restricting the places we can carry. We NEED to carry where ever there is a possibility of being the victim of a crime....and that is EVERYwhere these days. This excerpt from the op in the essence of the situation in my opinion: " Passing more gun control laws will only restrict law abiding citizens. Criminals don't care about laws, that's why they are criminals."

I think it all starts with education. I hope the op's efforts to get the word out pays off. If only one more person gets the message and gets a hand gun and learns how to use it and handle it safely and starts carrying and successfully defends himself against an attempt to victimize him it will have been worth it.
 
I don't agree with gun control and I try not to voice my disagreement as I do not know if I would make myself look like more of a ******* then anything, but I just think bad people will find their way to get their hands on guns regardless. And if they can't, they will resort to some other means, which could potentially be building some kind of explosive, which is worse imo.

I don't carry btw, but that doesn't mean I oppose it. I just haven't got a gun really suitable to conceal and I lack the permit. I plan to eventually though.
 
Maybe I'm interpreting your post incorrectly, but a see a flaw in your logic.

You talk about everyone should have the opportunity to go about armed, which equals more liberty and responsibility. I agree with this.

But you also say that one of the "problems" was the lack of metal detectors, x-ray, or other types of searches. This is less liberty, more authoritarian control. I don't agree with this, and contradicts the above.

Which is it? More liberty or more checkpoints?
If everyone has the right to go about armed, what problem are searches supposed to solve?
Why are government facilities "special" and require checkpoints? If they are so desirable, why not have them every place - malls, restaurants, etc.? Do you want to be required to consent to a search everyplace you go? We are heading down that slippery slope now.

The condemnation of the mentally ill needs to stop. They did not choose their condition. We all know that because of this, those who could use and need help refuse it. This does not improve the situation.
 
johngalt said:
Which is it? More liberty or more checkpoints?
If everyone has the right to go about armed, what problem are searches supposed to solve?
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I see where you coming from. The searches are supposed to find illegal substances for instance as well as explosives.

We still have a terror threat out there too. Never let you guard completely down!
 
JJEH said:
I see where you coming from. The searches are supposed to find illegal substances for instance as well as explosives.

We still have a terror threat out there too. Never let you guard completely down!
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The treat to our freedom dwarfs any possible terrorist threat. If there were not terrorist actions the government would have to invent them to advance their increasing control over the citizens.
 
1: Enforce the 9,000 to 20,000 gun laws already on the books
2: Criminals who use firearms should get LONG prison terms, no plea bargins,no paroll. Use gun in a robberey, 25 years, wound someone,life in prison, kill someone, capital punishment no if's and's or buts, no plea bargins.
3: Felons caught with firearms should get 10 years for having one, no plea bargans, no paroll.
4: People with mental issues should not have acess to weapons of any kind.
If they are in jail, or mental hospitials, they can't commit crimes.
 
I just spent most of the day up in Payson, AZ. There is a high percentage of CCW and a strong affinity for guns and the 2nd Amendment.

Very polite people!!!

We had a great day enjoying the fiddle and band contests.
 
johngalt said:
...Which is it? More liberty or more checkpoints?
If everyone has the right to go about armed, what problem are searches supposed to solve?...
Why are government facilities "special" and require checkpoints?
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If I understand the OP, if we MUST have this gun control, then do not make it arbitrary, that is, post or mark places as 'restricted' or create 'no gun' zones and then not enforce that at that point. The fact is with only a very few exceptions the government and non-government locations that restrict gun possession have no physical barrier method of actually preventing any guns from advancing through their entry points.

On the one hand these hoplophobic leaders don't trust some or all folks to carry guns, on the other hand they trust the same folks to read a sign or know a law and adhere to it.

This physical barrier / checkpoint of some kind is right out of a dystopian sci-fi novel of the future. It would of course be a fiscal and legal nightmare to actually implement, thus we get, again, the government trying to institute a plan that not only does not prevent the the non-law-abiding from committing murder, but also infringes the law-abiding citizen's ability to defend.

By passing these ever-restricting laws, we have actually improved the ability of the crazies to unleash their aggression on innocent victims by restricting self-defense of law-abiding citizens.

Then there is of course the evidence that since 1950, with one exception, every mass shooting like the recent ones happened on posted or in legally restricted gun-free zones.

I agree, an armed society is a polite society. Far as I am concerned, there ought to be a law that anyone attempting to pass laws against the Constitution and Bill of Rights should be tarred and feathered....
 
A defense plant needs security. So does a aircraft plant. Lockheed is both. They are so huge that a total stranger non employee such as a terrorist or just plain nut, spy, or whatever could walk in and do sabotage or steal technology. Other workers would probley just assume he`s a new guy or whatever. All`people getting in already have a background check and are badged and the guard checks the badge. If its a one shot deal like a vender coming in to repair a machine he will be escourted by a guard that make sure there isnt any secret articles in site and stays with him. Would you want to ride a airliner without certified inspections or someone watching it or no controls of a locked gate when its just sitting?
Unfortunately not everyone is honest and sane. Same holds true for every key target.
 
I work security OK? I am unarmed supposedly. There are more security officers killed than LEOs' each year because of this. Why are we unarmed? MONEY! These folks would rather take a chance on one of us getting wasted than paying the additional insurance fees for having an armed guard on the site. We are told that if a situation comes in to play call the law or 911. Good Luck with that one baby. This is how nuts our society has become. Every day at work I risk losing my gun permit ( Which I don'tthink I should be required to have anyway) Or going to jail or whatever for doing what I need to do. I always pack a weapon regardless. I have friends and folks where I work that their very lives could depend on me at any given moment. Should this situation arise you can kiss my gun permit goodbye and my weapon of choice as well most likely but that's my choosing. I moved from Texas to Tennessee 20 some odd yrs ago and the idea that I have to pay anybody for the right to bear arms really galls me no end. I reluctantly got a permit several years ago here in Tn simply because if the law stops you for anything in this state they can confiscate your weapon and you can kiss it good bye friend. In Texas if you are stopped, and your weapon taken you can claim it back if it is a miner offense or you are innocent..
 
Popper, I did the same as you for 35 years. One thing I am sure you know but didnt put in your post is if the incident is bad enough you also not only lose your carry gun and permit but every gun you have. All this comes down to the old saying, would you rather be judged by 12 of carried by six? I would rather be judged by 12 too.
 
Running a security company must be a competitive business. A guy just down the street went belly up lately. Far as I know he might have been the only company in town. It`s all about insurance requirements. Except for rare exceptions private companys pay close to minimum. Huge defense plants etc have what we call "in house security" that pay on par with their workers. While my company did have a few posts that didnt require being armed for the most part all my guard work required the gun card.
I suppose with small companys it`s open to conjecture how well they will back you. I never had that problem and cant recall hearing that any of my fellow guards really got caught in the middle although it always was a subject that they liked to question.
A big saying always heard was "Guard house lawyers". We have it here too. I was fortunate. I never was laid off in the 35 years. Many guards knew new hire guards from having worked with them elsewhere. For some it was like picking grapes. They mostly traveled around from other aircraft plants and the movie studios.
 
Taurus627 said:
Got to agree with you. As has been stated over the last year or so,
The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
This has been proven over and over, time and time again. Those who are
against gun ownership by law abiding citizens seam to me to not
understand that firearms can be used to prevent crimes.

Awesome post, thanks man!!!!
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Well, I have to partially disagree with this idea or at least modify it to: a good guy who knows how and when to use a gun. We all know someone who should never be allowed to drive and we all know someone who should never be allowed to look at a gun let alone touch one or carry one. An ex brother-in-law was a case in point. We went shooting with him at a private range. We called a cold range, opened our actions and put our guns down. It was my turn to change targets and I heard my other brother-in-law screaming and swearing. I turned around to see B-I-L #1 aiming his rifle down range. I will not tell you what I said!:eek:
 
This article states why I have a CWP. I'm not a warrior, but there are times when people of conscience must make a stand.

So, I now carry, practice frequently, and am actively seeking more advanced training. [The more training the better].

I frequently pray that all I ever have to shoot at are paper targets, rubber duckies, or the like.
 
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I know this is an older thread but I have to add something to it.

For quite some time I thought about getting a video done to simply spread the word. I kept it as unpolitical as I could, but if it doesn't comply with the forum rules please feel free to delete it.

My plan was to create a short video but it turned out o be a 16 min. clip.

I would appreciate you for watching it. If you have anything to complain about or add or just want me to get your opinion please email me.

Thank you very much for your time!

Estrada Armory, LLC and gun control in the United States of America - YouTube
 
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