Gun storage solutions for Vehicles?

mainegrw

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Well, I just awoke to an unpleasant surprise this morning: notification that CT HB 7223 has passed, and will be signed into law shortly. This law makes it a felony to transport any firearm in the state of Connecticut without it being locked in a windowless trunk or vehicle-mounted safe. The bill goes into effect October 1st and will be punishable by a minimum of one year in prison.


That said, since I currently drive a Ford Escape, I'm on the hunt for a vehicle-mounted safe that I can install that will allow for the storage of at least three rifles (with full length barrel rifles, not short barrels like an AR) and 4 handguns. That would cover my needs for the most ambitious range days or trips to the LGS.

Any ideas?

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Well, I just awoke to an unpleasant surprise this morning: notification that CT HB 7223 has passed, and will be signed into law shortly. This law makes it a felony to transport any firearm in the state of Connecticut without it being locked in a windowless trunk or vehicle-mounted safe. The bill goes into effect October 1st and will be punishable by a minimum of one year in prison.

That said, since I currently drive a Ford Escape, I'm on the hunt for a vehicle-mounted safe that I can install that will allow for the storage of at least three rifles (with full length barrel rifles, not short barrels like an AR) and 4 handguns. That would cover my needs for the most ambitious range days or trips to the LGS.

Any ideas?
Welcome to life in a moonbat state where anything and everything to do with ga-ga-ga-gunz is a felony. :o And yet somehow real criminals always manage to escape prosecution under these laws. Go figure. :confused:

That said, I believe your newest CT anti-gun law is for handguns only, not long guns. Check on that since finding a car safe to fit your Ford Escape for handguns should be a lot easier than finding one for long guns. :cool:
 
I'm not a lawyer, but if it gets signed into law, as TTSH wrote, it appears to only apply to handguns.

Additionally, I saw no definition of what a "Vault" is. It appears that any lockable container that is secured to your vehicle would comply. I'd think that if your range bag is lockable, and you cable lock it to the luggage tie-downs in the back of the Escape, you've satisfied the intent of the legislation.

The bill:
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2019/FC/pdf/2019HB-07223-R000871-FC.PDF

If you still want a heavy duty option, these cases look cool.

Americase
 
Sounds like its about time to relocate if you ask me.

In more realistic news, Hopefully the Supreme Court will rule favorably for in the case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. City of New York, New York, which has been granted certiari, and will be argued this year. Depending on how the court chooses to expound their opinion, their decision could easily rule any state law prohibiting the transportation of loaded firearms unconstitutional.
 
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/....That said, I believe your newest CT anti-gun law is for handguns only, not long guns. Check on that since finding a car safe to fit your Ford Escape for handguns should be a lot easier than finding one for long guns. :cool:

Agreed - it looks like it only applies to pistols and revolvers:

CT HB07223 | 2019 | General Assembly | LegiScan

I've used console safes in my vehicles for years for conceal carry purposes when a "gun free zone" forces me to leave my hand guns in my vehicle and/or to secure a back up in my vehicle to ensure it isn't access my kids, etc.

My current console safe has also survived a break in to my car untouched, so it confirmed for me that it's more bother than a smash and grab thief has time or desire to mess with.
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Another less expensive option ($15-$30 compared to $250-$300) is to get a vehicle safe with a cable that can be secured to a seat frame and stored out of sight under the seat. The key here is to keep it stored out of sight.

A better option is one that slides into a frame or bracket that is bolted to the floor of the vehicle under the seat like the one sold by Bulldog for around $50.

The Hornady Rapid Safe is another option that I've considered, but I have mixed feelings about it. It uses an inflatable pad to hold it in place between console and seat, and then uses a cable to secure it to the seat frame. On one hand it allows quick access to the user, but on the other hand its in plain sight in the car and may prompt a break in just for exploratory purposes (i.e. to discover whether it's cabled to the seat or not. That'll cost you a window, and perhaps a door.

Reading the language of the bill, they failed to define "safe", so a car safe of these types should all be legal, or at least really hard to prosecute given the lack of definition of "safe".

In short, you have lots of options and if you shop around you can find one of the under the seat lock box cable variety for around $20.

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All that said, and fully acknowledging that it won't be popular to say it, I'll be blunt and honest about the legislation issue. I do indeed strongly oppose laws like this because it is a matter of responsible gun ownership and should be something a gun owner does on his or her own as a matter of personal responsibility.

However, we bring it on ourselves as the problem with the concept of responsible gun ownership in the real world is that an awful lot of us are not all that responsible, especially when it comes to gun storage.

You're from CT. Remember Sandy Hook? Sandy Hook occured in large part because a gun owner with a son who had known psychological problems left her guns unsecured in her home where her son could easily access them. That was farm animal stupid and incredibly irresponsible behavior by a single gun owner that still has negative effects on gun ownership 7 years later - like the passage of the bill you're upset about.

Gun owners, who should know better, leave unsecured handguns in cars all the time, and said hand guns then get stolen. Even worse is the percentage of handguns that are stolen from unlocked vehicles. IMHO that is stupid enough that it should be criminal. If you leave an unsecured handgun in a vehicle, in particular in plain sight, or even worse in an unlocked vehicle in or out of sight, you might as well hand out handguns to criminals on street corners as the net effect is the same.

We like to whine about our 2A rights, but rights also come with a responsibility to ensure our rights don't infringe on the rights or safety of others. Yeah I know, unpopular concept, but man up and adult a little. I live in the real world and the reality is that if a community can't responsibly self regulate its own behavior, laws will get passed to do it for the individuals in that community. That applies to the 2A and gun rights just as much as it does to anything else.

In short, a small percentage of us have brought laws like this down on the rest of us.
 
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mainegrw, you need to re-read the bill. The vehicle may not be unattended.
Says nothing about transport while you are in the vehicle.

Stu

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AN ACT CONCERNING THE STORAGE OF A PISTOL OR REVOLVER IN A MOTOR VEHICLE.
SUMMARY
This bill prohibits storing or keeping a pistol or revolver (i.e., a handgun) in an unattended motor vehicle if the firearm is not in the trunk, a locked safe, or a locked glove box. A first offense is a class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in prison, up to a $2,000 fine, or both. Any subsequent offense is a class D felony, punishable by up to five years in prison, up to a $5,000 fine, or both. For the bill’s purposes, a motor vehicle is unattended if no one who is at least age 21 and who is the owner, operator, or a passenger of the vehicle is inside the vehicle or in close enough proximity to prevent unauthorized access to the vehicle.
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The OP should avail himself of the links provided by others and re-read the new law. A lockable glove box is good, tool box mounted in the back of a pickup is good. Only applies to handguns, and only if the vehicle is unoccupied and your not close enough to see what's going on with it. I hope everyone read BB57's post, he nailed it and fully explains why we get stuck with these laws.
 
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Looks like that's not the only law you folks in CT just got handed to you, you now have a safe storage law. Another gift courtesy of irresponsible gun owners. Don't know why the link says Access Denied. The link works, brings you to US News.

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A safe full of firearms in a vehicle....talk about a tempting target for a break in. Vehicles are the easiest things to break into...watch the Allstate ad..Mayhem, "Hey Jeff , I'm a car thief ...I'm here to steal your car..."
then watch how easy it is to break into a car....nothing to it.
Make sure you have some good gun insurance because this law will cause a nice spike in break ins ...you can just bet money on that !
I'm sure the criminals will all comply...right !
Gary
 
mainegrw, you need to re-read the bill. The vehicle may not be unattended. Says nothing about transport while you are in the vehicle.
Only applies to handguns, and only if the vehicle is unoccupied and you're not close enough to see what's going on with it.
Indeed, it is a vehicle storage-related anti-gun bill... and yes, it does contain some interesting wording that suggests that if you are just stopping to self-service gas your buggy or grab yourself a quick take-out coffee on the way to or from the range that you will not get yourself arrested and jailed for having done so. In that regard, it would seem to be marginally better than what we have to deal with here in Massachusetts. :o In MA, the second you exit and close that door, your gun is considered "stored" and, therefore, subject to MA's onerous and poorly written safe storage law.
 
I was born in Greenwich and spent several years in Mass as a PO. Moved to Colorado in 1980. Could never live in either of those silly states any more.
 
I was at a hotel in KC a few weeks ago. Every pickup in the parking lot was broken into and several guns were stolen. My wife’s car missed the damage. If you have NRA, Glock, Sig, S&W or any other stickers on your car, you mark your vehicle as a good target. In my little town 4000 guns have been stolen this year. Sheriff’s Deputy Robert Kunze investigated a theft of a gun from a vehicle early one morning not long ago. The tweaker that stole it killed Deputy Kunze with it when he was sent to a suspicious person call later that same day. Enough said. Be a responsible gun owner.
 
How could they possibly enforce this law? Are the cops going to break into an unattended vehicle to see if there is a gun illegally inside the car?
What about illegal search without probable cause? Does my having a gun sticker on my bumper or window create probable cause?
 
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Like a lot of things, this law will be enforced when officers come in contact with you and your vehicle for other reasons. guns get stolen, car gets stolen, etc. . .

How could they possibly enforce this law? Are the cops going to break into an unmanned vehicle to see if there is a gun illegally inside the car?
What about illegal search without probable cause? Does my having a gun sticker on my bumper or window create probable cause?
 
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Agreed - it looks like it only applies to pistols and revolvers:

CT HB07223 | 2019 | General Assembly | LegiScan

I've used console safes in my vehicles for years for conceal carry purposes when a "gun free zone" forces me to leave my hand guns in my vehicle and/or to secure a back up in my vehicle to ensure it isn't access my kids, etc.

My current console safe has also survived a break in to my car untouched, so it confirmed for me that it's more bother than a smash and grab thief has time or desire to mess with.
487F41BC-7AFD-4993-BF57-E20C144772DF_zpsesamjju8.jpg


C0784F4E-1E46-4C81-BBE6-68E3D59B6A09_zpsx1bdyq04.jpg


E7008B5B-A1F8-4F5B-A10B-A50E9E7395EB_zpsylmaiy8x.jpg


Another less expensive option ($15-$30 compared to $250-$300) is to get a vehicle safe with a cable that can be secured to a seat frame and stored out of sight under the seat. The key here is to keep it stored out of sight.

A better option is one that slides into a frame or bracket that is bolted to the floor of the vehicle under the seat like the one sold by Bulldog for around $50.

The Hornady Rapid Safe is another option that I've considered, but I have mixed feelings about it. It uses an inflatable pad to hold it in place between console and seat, and then uses a cable to secure it to the seat frame. On one hand it allows quick access to the user, but on the other hand its in plain sight in the car and may prompt a break in just for exploratory purposes (i.e. to discover whether it's cabled to the seat or not. That'll cost you a window, and perhaps a door.

Reading the language of the bill, they failed to define "safe", so a car safe of these types should all be legal, or at least really hard to prosecute given the lack of definition of "safe".

In short, you have lots of options and if you shop around you can find one of the under the seat lock box cable variety for around $20.

------

All that said, and fully acknowledging that it won't be popular to say it, I'll be blunt and honest about the legislation issue. I do indeed strongly oppose laws like this because it is a matter of responsible gun ownership and should be something a gun owner does on his or her own as a matter of personal responsibility.

However, we bring it on ourselves as the problem with the concept of responsible gun ownership in the real world is that an awful lot of us are not all that responsible, especially when it comes to gun storage.

You're from CT. Remember Sandy Hook? Sandy Hook occured in large part because a gun owner with a son who had known psychological problems left her guns unsecured in her home where her son could easily access them. That was farm animal stupid and incredibly irresponsible behavior by a single gun owner that still has negative effects on gun ownership 7 years later - like the passage of the bill you're upset about.

Gun owners, who should know better, leave unsecured handguns in cars all the time, and said hand guns then get stolen. Even worse is the percentage of handguns that are stolen from unlocked vehicles. IMHO that is stupid enough that it should be criminal. If you leave an unsecured handgun in a vehicle, in particular in plain sight, or even worse in an unlocked vehicle in or out of sight, you might as well hand out handguns to criminals on street corners as the net effect is the same.

We like to whine about our 2A rights, but rights also come with a responsibility to ensure our rights don't infringe on the rights or safety of others. Yeah I know, unpopular concept, but man up and adult a little. I live in the real world and the reality is that if a community can't responsibly self regulate its own behavior, laws will get passed to do it for the individuals in that community. That applies to the 2A and gun rights just as much as it does to anything else.

In short, a small percentage of us have brought laws like this down on the rest of us.

IMO there should be no regulation whatsoever on loaded firearms in OCCUPIED vehicles.
 
If it is like a similar law now effective in CA they will prosecute gun owners after the fact. If you report your gun stolen from your car and you can not demonstrate that it was secured properly you have legal trouble. There have already been several cops fired in CA for violation of this law and department policy when their weapons were stolen from parked, unattended cars.
 
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