Guns and Protests

[Dave Haynes]

These "disturbances" today are mostly bought and paid for and many are just performances by people who do this for a living. The lady who was supposedly shot with a rubber bullet in the head and being carried off by a squad of stooges wearing masks, her face covered in blood with an apparent hole in her noggin. In the same video she is shown close up, faking unconsciousness, without a scratch or mark on her and not a drop of blood, being carried by the same gang. This is what the protesters are trying to have us believe. In my city in Northern CA the protesters look like they've escaped from a rest home. 58 years ago I returned from VN and these same Bozos were out there doing the same thing. Only difference being today they are being paid for it and are old bored seniors instead of young bored Bozos.
Personal feelings: Anyone who goes to one of these things is got a hole in their screen door, anyone bringing a gun to one has an elevator that isn't going to the top floor. The whole thing is a rigged destructive joke and being involved is playing the fool. There are people involved who are trying to get people killed and the police are letting people get away with murder. Anarchy has its own reward and let the perps enjoy it by themselves.

 

[biku324]

That's just nonsense. I was at 2 protests in deep red SE NM; there were no paid protesters, no 'antifa' nor anarchists of any kind, and I was likely one of the oldest there.

I only went because of the political assassinations in Minnesota earlier in the day. Cowardice and murder over politics deserves pushback.

 

[Rocketmedic40]

These "disturbances" today are mostly bought and paid for and many are just performances by people who do this for a living. The lady who was supposedly shot with a rubber bullet in the head and being carried off by a squad of stooges wearing masks, her face covered in blood with an apparent hole in her noggin. In the same video she is shown close up, faking unconsciousness, without a scratch or mark on her and not a drop of blood, being carried by the same gang. This is what the protesters are trying to have us believe. In my city in Northern CA the protesters look like they've escaped from a rest home. 58 years ago I returned from VN and these same Bozos were out there doing the same thing. Only difference being today they are being paid for it and are old bored seniors instead of young bored Bozos.
Personal feelings: Anyone who goes to one of these things is got a hole in their screen door, anyone bringing a gun to one has an elevator that isn't going to the top floor. The whole thing is a rigged destructive joke and being involved is playing the fool. There are people involved who are trying to get people killed and the police are letting people get away with murder. Anarchy has its own reward and let the perps enjoy it by themselves.

100% conspiracy theories and utter lunacy.

In other news, went to the range today and burned 100 rounds of .38 Special running drills- 1 to COM at 10 yards, 1 to the upper COM/chest at 25, 1 to the COM at 50 yards. With the Model 10, it was pretty easy, but I really had to slow down and focus more with the 442 and Model 36. My first groups at 25 weren’t great (and about 2/3 accuracy) and 50 was going 2/3 for hits, but they were all over the man-size target. Had to remind myself to slow down and use the sights more carefully, got the groups to around 8” overall. The 36 was a bit more accurate than the 442 in DA, but the sights were harder to pick up in the sunlight. The K-frame made it a lot easier than the snubs; I found all I really had to do was line up the front blade on the closer targets.

The 442 with the wooden Smith stocks was a bit stiff with Blazer 125gr, but smoother with generic Armscor 158gr FMJ. I put the Hogue monogrip back on and I found it far easier to control and aim; I think I’ll leave them on. My Model 36 has Pachymars on it, I think that was a significant contributor to its accuracy.

Overall, I felt a bit better-controlled than last time. I shot exclusively in DA, and found it easier than I thought to smoothly stage and pull the trigger when I wanted to.

 

[pantannojack]

I live and mingle in a LOW population zone.

 

[Infidel137]

Fools rush in where Anges fear to tread. Alexander Pope. "Essays On Criticism" 1709

Angels

 

[Goodtime Charlie]

Angels

Spilling skulls are impotent.

 

[Smoke]

Angels

Do you feel better now?

 

[Shibadog]

Your anarchists, whether commie agitators or not. They want to burn it all down if it isn’t obvious.

The spritual children of Saul Alinsky ( or Satan-same guy)

 

[biku324]

The spritual children of Saul Alinsky ( or Satan-same guy)

Who??

 

[Muss Muggins]

Who??

One of the, if not the, original community organizers . . .

 

[Smoke]

I think this entire discussion can be summed up in John Farnham's Rules of Stupid,

Never go to

Stupid places.
With stupid people.
At stupid times.
To do stupid things.

 

[Law-dog]

That's just nonsense. I was at 2 protests in deep red SE NM; there were no paid protesters, no 'antifa' nor anarchists of any kind, and I was likely one of the oldest there.

I only went because of the political assassinations in Minnesota earlier in the day. Cowardice and murder over politics deserves pushback.

you are not pushing back showing up in New Mexico, and to my knowledge not a lot of radical people in New Mexico outside of maybe Santa Fee.

 

[326MOD10]

A protester in SLC was accidentally shot by a “peacekeeper” who was themselves trying to prevent a mass shooting by a counter-protester or anarchist…

Just watched a news story from the Salt Lake City Fox affiliate that showed a video that contradicts some of the statements given by the "Peacekeepers".

Video shows the guy with the rifle walking with the rifle at low ready and toward the ground .

The rifle guy didn't start running until the shooting began by the security guys.

Original statement said guy had rifle up in the firing position, running toward the crowd before shots were fired.

Going to be a mess for sure.

 

[biku324]

you are not pushing back showing up in New Mexico, and to my knowledge not a lot of radical people in New Mexico outside of maybe Santa Fee.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion.

Never heard of Albuquerque? Las Cruces? The Sunland Park to Chaparral suburbs of Juarez?

 

[Rocketmedic40]

Just watched a news story from the Salt Lake City Fox affiliate that showed a video that contradicts some of the statements given by the "Peacekeepers".

Video shows the guy with the rifle walking with the rifle at low ready and toward the ground .

The rifle guy didn't start running until the shooting began by the security guys.

Original statement said guy had rifle up in the firing position, running toward the crowd before shots were fired.

Going to be a mess for sure.

Walking with a rifle out toward a crowd = mass shooter in 2025; I’m not sure even tactical kit or an insinuation of a uniform would help. If I’m in the crowd and I see that, cover/escape and draw/shoot are my two priorities, I’m not outrunning 5.56 and letting him get the rifle up and firing means I’ve waited too long.

 

[Rocketmedic40]

you are not pushing back showing up in New Mexico, and to my knowledge not a lot of radical people in New Mexico outside of maybe Santa Fee.

Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[326MOD10]

Walking with a rifle out toward a crowd = mass shooter in 2025; I’m not sure even tactical kit or an insinuation of a uniform would help. If I’m in the crowd and I see that, cover/escape and draw/shoot are my two priorities, I’m not outrunning 5.56 and letting him get the rifle up and firing means I’ve waited too long.

Well here is the flaw in that theory.

Utah is an open carry state I believe and when I read the prohibitions I didn't see where it said anything about at a protest.

Maybe the guy with the rifle was doing the same as the peacekeeper. You don't know.

Then you have the statement made to the police about what happened. But the video, that was shown on the news, shows something different.

Unless the guy with the rifle has some sort of manifesto out there indicating his intent or confesses. I would say the waters are muddlied.

 

[Rocketmedic40]

Well here is the flaw in that theory.

Utah is an open carry state I believe and when I read the prohibitions I didn't see where it said anything about at a protest.

Maybe the guy with the rifle was doing the same as the peacekeeper. You don't know.

Then you have the statement made to the police about what happened. But the video, that was shown on the news, shows something different.

Unless the guy with the rifle has some sort of manifesto out there indicating his intent or confesses. I would say the waters are muddlied.

Kinda comes back to the whole “intelligence of open carry” and “carrying vs brandishing” argument. Alternatively, why not try drinking really fast and slamming on brakes to precisely stop next to a crowd?

 

[65-2x2]

Honestly? This old-school test seems like a reasonable one, be it a CCW or a police officer. Granted, there’s not a lot of 50-yard shooting…but it’s very plausible to have to engage an active shooter at 20 or 30 or even 50 yards, especially if one factors in incidents like the congressional baseball shooting or the Dickinson shooting where engagement started at like 27 yards or something? Accurate, controlled fire is important.

It is a good thing to be able to consistently hit a target at distance as it insures that you are doing the basic steps of accurate shooting well.

Where a cop may need to engage at 50 yards, with a hand gun, a civilian may not. At that distance you would almost always have other options. As far as I am concerned, shooting is a last-ditch method of self defence after hiding or running had been ruled out. I would like to think that "my" cop could shoot bull's eyes, under pressure, from a fast draw at that distance, but the facts generally tend to indicate otherwise.

I am only a fair shot, I can hit a 10" target at 50 yards, (most of the time) with a pistol or revolver, but it takes careful setup, concentrating on stance, grip, breathing and a slow and deliberate trigger pull and that shooting at a stationary target that can't shoot back. I can't see it for me with my life flashing before my eyes and my heart beating like a jack hammer.

 

[dockmurgw]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that some are turning this into a dumpster fire?