I would question whether that would be legal, too. The orange tips are required to differentiate toy guns, air soft, etc. from real guns. I don't think any cops would be too happy to see a real gun "disguised" as a toy. No matter what you do to the gun, it is still a REAL FIREARM.
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I would question whether that would be legal, too. The orange tips are required to differentiate toy guns, air soft, etc. from real guns. I don't think any cops would be too happy to see a real gun "disguised" as a toy. No matter what you do to the gun, it is still a REAL FIREARM.
GatorFarmer
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It's legal to paint one's gun orange, or any other color if they want to.
I knew a woman that had been in Rhodesia during the "troubles". (It's Zimbabwe today.) She was given a gun at age six, with live ammunition, and expected to be able to use. Rough place Rhodesia.
Whether it is legal or not, well ask a lawyer in state. Or ask three and get a dozen different opinions.
Now ruining a Victory model by painting it, plugging it, etc. That's just plain wrong.
If you want a realistic toy gun, simply google away and find a blowback cap pistol or airsoft gun. At this late date, you'd have to pay express shipping.
I knew a woman that had been in Rhodesia during the "troubles". (It's Zimbabwe today.) She was given a gun at age six, with live ammunition, and expected to be able to use. Rough place Rhodesia.
Whether it is legal or not, well ask a lawyer in state. Or ask three and get a dozen different opinions.
Now ruining a Victory model by painting it, plugging it, etc. That's just plain wrong.
If you want a realistic toy gun, simply google away and find a blowback cap pistol or airsoft gun. At this late date, you'd have to pay express shipping.
venomballistics
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exactly ... by virtue of firearm definitions the frame proper IS a firearm and all else that completes it is just spare parts held in tight formation. theres no way to wiggle around it....
then ..... we have the unsavory subject of you thinking of doing what to a victory model?!?!? DUDE ... Im really hoping your just sharing a twisted sense of humor here
Bullseye 2620
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What happens when he tells his friends at school and one of them tells a teacher or his own parents? I think the fundamental issue though is that guns are not toys. Let's keep the dividing line crystal clear. Too many kids die because they didn't understand the difference.
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G.T. Smith
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It would probably be OK here in the boonies to give a 6 year old a non functioning firearm to use as a Halloween prop, but if I was to dress my kid up and take him out into the city to ask for candy I would surely make sure the gun was loaded and he had the proper training in gun safety, and marksmanship. I would also escort him and be ready with my own weapon..
Please don't put him in harms way with a disabled firearm. That would be child endangerment for sure.
Why do they still have a Holiday like Halloween anyway?
Leave the gun functional, send him to my house, and I will trade him a pickup load of candy for it. hehehehe.
Peace,
gordon
Please don't put him in harms way with a disabled firearm. That would be child endangerment for sure.
Why do they still have a Holiday like Halloween anyway?
Leave the gun functional, send him to my house, and I will trade him a pickup load of candy for it. hehehehe.
Peace,
gordon
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Strap a real gun on a 6 year old? This has to be a joke because a responsible gun owner wouldn't even consider it! Darwin was right!
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Great costume, get a plastic revolver and watch the libs. squirm...
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firestrat
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This was the type of advice I was looking for. Makes his point with no fuss and doesn't resort to personal attacks. I guess some folks just look for a reason to try to make themselves feel superior.
Probably setting myself up to get flamed again. So be it.
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firestrat
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Yes, I'm aware that toy guns cannot be taken to school, and I thought the title of the thread was self explanatory, the question was about trick or treating.
Quite a few remarks referred(?) to days gone by as being ok for this scenario inferring that people weren't so jumpy and sensitive back then.
buckyjames1
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Absolutely not:
1. guns are not toys
2. This will assuredly open doorways for your son to "play" with Dad's
guns
3. What does it teach him about guns?
Honestly bud, I'm going to be harsh, Stupid idea
I think you want to give him your gun for your amusement not the kids. Could probably put a squirt gun in the holster and he'd be happy.
How would you feel if teenagers dressed up as a gang-bangers and were walking around with an AK?
1. guns are not toys
2. This will assuredly open doorways for your son to "play" with Dad's
guns
3. What does it teach him about guns?
Honestly bud, I'm going to be harsh, Stupid idea
I think you want to give him your gun for your amusement not the kids. Could probably put a squirt gun in the holster and he'd be happy.
How would you feel if teenagers dressed up as a gang-bangers and were walking around with an AK?
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sipowicz
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To quote from an Indian Jones movie..."you chose poorly" Leave the real gun at home,
bitstream
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I'll go with the chorus and say "no" also. Too many bad things that could go wrong to list. When I take my kids out for trick or treat, the only one armed is me, it's not a costume prop, and it's concealed.
venomballistics
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Ill make one last post before I put on the Nomex suit and hone the stop drop and roll drill.
Now, as you have stated. the idea was to disable a piece of S&W history to become part of a kids costume with which you'll do the age old door to door Halloween thing....
the problems I see are two fold, not counting the issues others have pointed out.
according to law, the frame of the gun IS the whole gun and cannot be made less so ... thats coming along for the ride no matter what you do...
the second issue is the attitude of post Columbine school administrations. Of course, your thinking since this has nothing to do with school they have no say in the matter....
Time and time again we have threads on this board with the membership wigging out about how some school administration OVERSTEPS ITS BOUNDERIES enforcing its ZERO TOLERANCE policies.
what that means to you is that all it will take is one half baked statement from ANYONE to either faculty or admin of the school system and you and your son are marked for termination. Even if they cannot make something stick directly .... they WILL lay in wait till they have something they can use ... like pointing an unregistered paperclip at something or the possession of a deadly rubber band .... yeah buddy they are that lame and petty.
whats worse is that they will likely find something to pin on you and yours in less than a month.
This isnt like placing a bet on a football game where your out $20 or so on a weekend ... the bet placed is with the future of you and your family ... the WHOLE remaining future.
...... now Im off to the hardware store for a couple of fire extinguishers
I say "no" for another reason. The heavy gun would make his pants fall down. 
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firestrat
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I appreciate your reasoning in this post, again the kind of thoughts I was looking for and again without resorting personal attacks.
NOW, as far as ruining a "piece of S&W history", I certainly wasn't thinking of doing this to a nice shooter but a basket case, of which I am sure there are thousands out there. Also, I remember an aquaintance of my Father's about 25 years ago had a very sharp '63 Impala SS with a 348 in it and he swapped in a built 350. Someone had asked him how could he do such a thing. "It's mine" was his reply.
I actually found a couple of sites that sell deactivated Victory Models.
They were all in the UK however where apparently the aren't considered "proper" guns anymore as they are available for purchase over the phone. I guess they are being catered to reenactors to use when they go out to "play".
Fire away.
venomballistics
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A victory model is more a piece you'd painstakingly restore to its former glory ... if that isnt what you see it becoming, you can probably make some extra scratch around this forum passing her along to someone who does have that dream ... and Im sure you'll find more people in here fitting that description than they are finding victory models.
theres a reason your finding them in the UK in deactivated state for sale. they dont have a law that defines the frame as a gun as we do here ... just watch the red flags fly when you try to get one over here without an FFL.
barrels, trigger groups, cylinders, grips, mags, slides, bolts, and all else may be traded freely .. its the frame, receiver, or side plate that's regulated. and that part will always work to your disadvantage in these here 50.
Now a classic car isnt really a good comparison ... our engine blocks arnt regulated like revolver frames and what good is a terminal 348 in any car?
I'd have opted for a 327 if possible to avoid the persecution of using a garden variety 350 by virtue of 327 cool points.
theres a reason your finding them in the UK in deactivated state for sale. they dont have a law that defines the frame as a gun as we do here ... just watch the red flags fly when you try to get one over here without an FFL.
barrels, trigger groups, cylinders, grips, mags, slides, bolts, and all else may be traded freely .. its the frame, receiver, or side plate that's regulated. and that part will always work to your disadvantage in these here 50.
Now a classic car isnt really a good comparison ... our engine blocks arnt regulated like revolver frames and what good is a terminal 348 in any car?
I'd have opted for a 327 if possible to avoid the persecution of using a garden variety 350 by virtue of 327 cool points.
