Gunsmith says "stay away from CLP." Really?

Been using Rig#2 Oil and Rig Universal Grease for 30+ years. Never had any issues, rust, gunk build up, or lack of lubrication. If it were not an EXCELLENT product line they would not be around anymore.

Remoil is also good but I do not like that the liquid only comes in a 1 ounce bottle or a spray can. The spray winds up all over the place and I much prefer a drip bottle - but ONE OUNCE???

This may be the ticket and it looks cool to boot.....

Remington® Rem™ Oil 100th Anniversary 4-oz. Metal Can : Cabela's
 
I Prefer "Curmudgeon"

As an official old-fart curmudgeon, I easily related to your perspective, RBurg, but not so much as one old guy sticking up for another.

As a youth I was blessed with a bevy of kin who when in their own youth had to hunt for the sake of consuming protein. As the youngest of a youngest in birth order, fully half of my mother's six brothers had died before I was five.

By the time I reached 15, the spouses of those uncles who had passed were likewise realizing the end of their years and I often was the beneficiary of their largesse in the form of long guns like the Winchester .351 WSL or a 1903 Savage 99 30/30, as well as Colt, Ruger and S&W handguns. All were old and all were as close to perfect in function as any could be when considering they were guns which were used darn-near daily.

Although banged here and scratched there, they just did not have rust. Anywhere. Even in places where metal was laid bare. The bores, some noticeably degraded from the many rounds triggered within, still shown brightly all the way to the business end when a white piece of paper was inserted in the breech.

My favorite and final mother's brother passed in 1989 at 81 years. I sorely miss his wisdom - born of fourth-grader whose schooling was focused on hard knocks - and the many things I hadn't yet learned from him.

Every single gun passed to me - from the brush-busting .351 to his "reach out and touch someone" Weatherby .243 Winchester, as well as his Ruger .22 "coup de grace" pistol - were beautifully maintained by not-so-modern lubes and lots of elbow grease.

Nothing pays off quite like paying attention and knowing that giving it will give back in return. Every time. Every single time a trigger's pull was needed, whether for food or in defense of self, it worked.

Upon a return from whatever purpose wherein the pursuit of which a weapon was used - not necessarily discharged - we sat and cleaned. Much akin to a boat being cleaned after hauled from the water, it is what had to be done - if one wished their weapon to function as designed, that is.

Now, with Daylight Savings Time at full-tilt-boogie and while still having plenty of open left-lanes from which to choose, I think I'll go irritate as many as possible of those who just can't stand driving at the speed limit while in "the fast lane."


I can't believe in this day and age this subject is still floating around.

Some truths of life. CLP isn't a product, its a performance standard. Any one bidding on a government contract to supply it must prove it complies. If you were in the Army and used CLP, the exact product you were issued just depended upon what year it was, and who managed to supply it. Yes, it smells because it wasn't mandated the supplier used the same formula, just that it complied with the performance specification. I've never used any of it I considered to be "bad".

Gunsmiths that tell you not to use it might just have an underlying motive, and there is no truthfullness standard applied to gunsmiths. I'd suggest that some of them lie to gain more business.

On guns I'm putting up for an extended period of time (which I define as me not planning on shooting for at least a week) I use CLP Collectors. Yes, it does dry to a waxy finish. Big deal. I have powder solvent that will remove it in a few seconds.

On to another fallacy used above, the WD40 one. Its the very best first aid for a wet firearm ever developed. Its never been sold as a lubricant, so its not really fair to expect lubrication properties from it. It was developed as a water displacing product (WD?). It does that really well. It also will work as a temporary penetrating oil. It won't last real long, but it will often free up something that is stuck. Its also available at almost every convenience store in the country. Summarize by saying it works and its available. Also, just for reference, its not the same formula as it was originally back in the 1960s (remember then?) It originally was a varnish based product. Think varnish, sticky, and eventually gummy. These days its based on Stoddard Solvent. Not a varnish. Instead of repeating false information, go buy a can and spray it on something. Then see if it becomes sticky or gummy.

I have a couple of old guns. Some are like new after decades. Hint: back then no one had wonder lube. They used whatever they had. It worked. Yes, grandma's sewing machine oil worked just fine then, and it will now. Its not what you use, but that you use it religiously, every darn time. Years ago I adopted a plan. Every darn time I bought a new to me gun (or a new gun) I took it apart to see what's inside. I've found and corrected all sorts of evil. Even new S&Ws have terrible stuff inside. The worst was my 337. It was bleeding green blood when brand new. And it was gritty to boot. I opened it up and had way too much oil inside, plus metal cuttings. No one at the factory seems to have bothered to clean it prior to assembly or shipping. And I once scored a great deal on a non-functional Triple Lock. Inside I found the action totally gummed with something sticky. I'm guessing bacon grease, but I have no way of telling.

I don't use action cleanier. But I do used some automotive brake cleaner on occasion. Just not near grips or plastic. Once I managed to get all the evil stuff out, a quick shot of RemOil made it work slick as I could imagine. No, I'm not promoting RemOil because its probably too thin for some applications. But I'm lazy and it was on my workbence, within reach.

I've never found a "gun specific" lubricant that doesn't work. I see no reason to pay premium prices for some wonder lube. My plans don't involve me not cleaning and putting a gun in a dry place. And I'm even so old and grumpy that I inspect my guns fairly frequently.
 
Maybe he was just thinking along the lines of a multi-tool generally not begin the best at any one single function including some compromise on each. For example, a Swiss Army knife may have a screwdriver and a knife and a saw and a compass and (and and and) and while it may serve in a pinch for all of those functions and is quite portable - it is not the BEST screwdriver or BEST knife or BEST compass etc for ALL situations.

However, the three "different" functions we are talking about here - cleaning, lubricating, protecting - are all dealing with a very narrow set of circumstances in which the properties of many cleaners and lubricants and metal protectors overlap to a significant degree - and the environmental conditions typically cover a relatively narrow range.

Which does not mean that a CLP that is suitable for my firearm would also serve similar purposes on a drilling platform in the Arctic Circle or on the surface of the moon and also does not mean that a because a product is suitable for those conditions that it would be suitable for my firearm.
 
I have been cleaning guns since the mid 1960's.
I have used a LOT of different products over the years.

IF I could have only ONE "juice" for firearm use it would be BREAKFREE CLP.
 
I have used CLP for years and my father has used CLP for longer than I have. Never had one problem. Clean your guns and store them properly, you wont have any problems. Run those patches through until they come out clean.
 
I have used Breakfree CLP for years and can personally testify as to
it's superior rust preventative properties. It may not dissolve powder
fouling as fast as some pure solvents but for a single all purpose
product I'm happy with it.
 
Seriously, CLP has been around a LONG time and there have been incredible advances in chemistry. But who do you trust for competitive testing and what does the US Army use now? Geoff Who was in the PL special and CLP generation.
 
As a boy, I remember my grandfather just using Three-In-One oil on his 12 gauge side-by-side, the same oil my grandmother used in her sewing machine. Even today, more than 60 years later, one whiff of Three-In-One oil and I'm instantly transported back to the 50s and granddad's shotgun, which now rests in my gun safe.

I have a little can of that stuff! :D

Also an old can of Outer's "gun oil." Except for the paint the cans sure look similar. ;)

My local 'smith swears by WD-40. He kind of rolls his eyes when I bring in one of mine even though I've tried to wipe off any excess oil.
 
Speaking of "one whiff and I'm transported...", that happens to me every time I use Hoppes #9. It connects me to my long gone father who cleaned his few guns fastidiously after every use.
 

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