hard post to make about a stupid mistake

Some years ago, when I was in the Navy, I was assigned to stand watch on what was called the ASROC deck (ASROC was an anti submarine weapon; it had a high security classification at the time). This deck was at the middle of the ship away from the Quarter Deck (where the gangway was). The lone sentry carried a 1911, chamber empty, full mag in the gun.
The procedure for relieving the watch was: the current watch pulls the weapon, drops the mag, open the slide and locks it. He then sets everything down on a table and gives the holster to the new sentry. New sentry picks up the weapon, drops the slide, pulls the trigger, inserts the mag and holsters it.
This particular morning (just before 4AM) I was the off going watch. I did my stuff, then the oncoming watch picked up the gun, inserted the mag, dropped the slide, pointed the gun up and pulled the trigger. Oops. I will say the sound of a .45 going off in a room the size of a guest bathroom is deafening to say the least.

Dont know where they came from, supposedly everybody was asleep, but we were surrounded by armed security (all gunner's mates I think) in a matter of seconds.
The round took out some electronics conduits; IT guys had a job to fix it the next day. The oncoming watch lost a stripe, and fortunately nothing happened to me. But after that when I was relieved I stood next to the oncoming close enough to reach him and watched closely until the weapon was safely holstered. I have never forgotten that incident, and to this day many years later I have never had a DA of my own.

I saw this happen at Naval Station Long Beach, Ca. Since the Navy Security was armed with S&W revolvers and the SWAT Team members were allowed to carry M1911's they were status symbols. One of the SWAT Team members got the sequence of clearing a M1911 out of order. He had an accidental discharge (AD), but into the clearing barrel. We took his M1911 away and gave him a S&W revolver to carry. No reduction in rank as he was civilian security.
 
Empties are not snap caps. Snap caps are colored, marked… totally different.
But.. thank you again for another post to scare the pants off if this newbie as another safety reminder.
I’m hitting the range tomorrow and will take it slow, steady with respect for muzzle direction and assume my revolver is loaded at all times.
 
I've seen unfired rounds in my 617-6. Mostly Remington Goldens, occasional Armscor, but few and far between. I used up the Goldens, using up the Armscor. I use CCI, Aguila, and Federal from now on. I have trained myself to hit the ejector twice, then look to make sure everything is out.
 
My thanks to the OP and to everyone who shares close calls/safety tips.

Todays story:
Last week I purchased another CZ 75 by phone, it should arrive tomorrow. It is as new from 1998. I decided to compare its online photos to my 2014 SA. I do not keep loaded firearms in my safe, but I check every action when any firearm comes out of the safe. I pulled the SA's slide back on its empty mag to lock the action open. It did not stay open, I had racked a live round into the chamber. Weird feelings ensued, the slide stop failed (?), nope, I dropped the mag and ejected the chambered round, then locked the slide open and really checked the chamber. I can't remember the last time I had shot or handled the SA. I will take it as a good and stark reminder to never assume anything about firearms (I never have). Ego slightly in check.
Bob
 
The older I get (67 now) the more I "worry" about these things.

When I'm handling a pistol I find myself checking it every little bit to make sure it's empty. Crazy? Maybe. But I'll check it several times while handling it.

Lots of little things and I'm one of them, that can go south at the wrong time/place.

OP, glad no one was hurt.
 
You did the right thing.
You did not point it at anything you were not willing to destroy.

There a few who would mourn the death of a Sneaky Pete.
 
OP, Thanks for a reminder to us that thinking is important.

As to comments about fail to fire in a 617, I have had mine for 20+ years and can not recall ever having it happen.
 
The older I get (67 now) the more I "worry" about these things.

When I'm handling a pistol I find myself checking it every little bit to make sure it's empty. Crazy? Maybe. But I'll check it several times while handling it.

Crazy? No, not at all.
As we age and our faculties fade, it is smart to compensate and guard against complacency.
 
Some things are hard to post, however when you do it might help others from doing the same.
A couple of weeks ago I was letting a friend shoot my 44, I said just keep pulling the trigger until it doesn't go bang any more than you will know it is empty. Thats what he did and I put the revolver away. when I got home and emptied the cases out one was a round that never fired but had a dimple in the primer. This must have been the last of 6 rounds, its always the EMPTY gun that goes bang when it shouldn't.
Glad you didn't get hurt .
I remember my Dad telling me WAY back in the mid 50’s when I was learning to shoot “ it’s the empty guns that kill people. Most people are careful with loaded ones but get careless with empty ones.” Truer words were never spoken.
 
My thanks to the OP and to everyone who shares close calls/safety tips.

Todays story:
Last week I purchased another CZ 75 by phone, it should arrive tomorrow. It is as new from 1998. I decided to compare its online photos to my 2014 SA. I do not keep loaded firearms in my safe, but I check every action when any firearm comes out of the safe. I pulled the SA's slide back on its empty mag to lock the action open. It did not stay open, I had racked a live round into the chamber. Weird feelings ensued, the slide stop failed (?), nope, I dropped the mag and ejected the chambered round, then locked the slide open and really checked the chamber. I can't remember the last time I had shot or handled the SA. I will take it as a good and stark reminder to never assume anything about firearms (I never have). Ego slightly in check.
Bob
I always drop the mag first. Keeps from loading a round like you did. Glad that you did not get hurt. I have seen several folks in the military/law enforcement communities forget to drop the mag first and discharge the gun into a clearing barrel.
 
A 40-year-old PSD contractor with 20 years military and 3 years personnel security detail experience in Iraq accidentally touched off a round from his M4 ... in the Embassy ... in the lobby in front of Post One. Fastest PNG 'window or aisle' departure I've seen.
 
Another 617 FTF story, how common are FTF's with Ruger and Colt 22LR double action revolvers?
No difference in gun manufacturer in my experience. I think it is the nature of .22 LR to have a relatively — relative to center fire — high number of duds.
 
I've been shooting for 60 years, taught shooting and big on safety with never a mishap.

Until....

I bought a new 617/2 home today. first thing I did was load 10 rounds and head to the back yard. So far so good. One ftf, spun the cylinder and tried again, bang.

Opened the cylinder and all ten shells had hammer marks. Next stop was the kitchen with the trigger scale. I left the empties in to cushion the firing pin. checked the single action three times, (way too heavy) then went on to measure the double action.

Click, BANG! Yeah, you saw that coming. Bullet went about 4 feet, thru the side of my Sneaky Pete carry holster that was laying on the counter, and hit the top of the slide on my sig365. Luckily the bullet fragmented, only leaving a small splash on the slide but no damage.

I've always been serious about safety and have never done anything wrong. (???).

The thing is, it was a very stupid mistake that we all know better, and if it can happen to me, there's a chance it could happen to you. It'll be another 60 years before I do anything that dumb.

Even when you know the gun is empty, check anyway.
when I first became a police weapons instructor ('93) the first thing the range master said was, "All of you people here will probably become the most dangerous weapons handlers around, if you allow yourself to become COMPLACENT !!!"
 
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