Has anyone been following this stiuation in New Jersey ?

[CatboatWilly]

Has anyone been following this situation in New Jersey where a Pennsylvania, 27 year old mother of two, named Shaneen Allen, is being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for carrying her pistol in New Jersey ?
Seems she was stopped for a routine traffic stop in New Jersey and presented the LEO with her Pennsylvania CCW permit along with her driver's license and stated that she had a Bersa .380 with her in her purse. She readily told the LE officer about the pistol so there would not be any surprises. New Jersey does not honor any other states permit to carry nor do they issue.

The LEO arrested her on illegal possession of a firearm and now she faces 10 years in prison for the 'crime' of possession of a firearm in NJ.
One can Google Shaneen Allen for more details but what are the thoughts regarding this matter ?
I wonder what the Governor (and Presidential hopeful) will do ?

 

[gutterman]

I feel for her in her situation but in the CCW classroom they specify where you can and cannot carry thru the states. Some States honor permits from other States and some do not. It is our obligation to know these rules and to follow them.

 

[Hapworth]

My thoughts are right now states get to make their own laws on this matter and it's the responsibility of every gun owner and carrier to know the laws where they travel lest they leave themselves open to absurd, overzealous prosecution like this.

And I feel terrible for Ms. Allen...

 

[MrTrolleyguy]

Glad you brought the topic up. I was thinking about her this week. I also am a Philadelphian and was going to Atlantic City for their Air Show. The story dropped out of sight. The only talk I hear about her case is at the local gun shop.

I was scared (I'll admit it) to bring a gun with me for the three day outing. Some States (Maryland is one) have vehicle license numbers linked to gun owners. I could see some over zealous recruit deciding that I am swerving in my lane and getting pulled over on the Atlantic City Expressway.

Anywho..... I'd like to go to her trial.


This is the latest (9 hrs ago).

 

[Muss Muggins]

New Jersey does not honor any other states permit to carry nor do they issue. . . .The LEO arrested her on illegal possession of a firearm and now she faces 10 years in prison for the 'crime' of possession of a firearm in NJ. . . . I wonder what the Governor (and Presidential hopeful) will do ?

Hopefully, they will enforce the law. She broke it.

 

[AirPowMech]

I feel for her in her situation but in the CCW classroom they specify where you can and cannot carry thru the states. Some States honor permits from other States and some do not. It is our obligation to know these rules and to follow them.

There is no class required for a PA LTC. You just walk into the county sherffis office and some you can walk right back out with it.

 

[pharmer]

Hopefully, they will enforce the law. She broke it.

Jawohl. Joe

 

[rcp1936]

My thoughts are right now states get to make their own laws on this matter and it's the responsibility of every gun owner and carrier to know the laws where they travel lest they leave themselves open to absurd, overzealous prosecution like this.

And I feel terrible for Ms. Allen...

States get the right to make their own laws on Freedom of the Press and Speech also ????/

 

[Hapworth]

Hopefully, they will enforce the law. She broke it.

Seeing as how New Jersey Superior Court and the District Attorney's office don't feel the need to enforce the law when a sports celebrity scumbag like Ray Rice beats his girlfriend unconscious, seems they might take a similarly light touch with an honest individual who made a mistake and of her own volition alerted the officer to it.

But that would take some humanity and integrity, and Ms. Allen doesn't have the political clout of Ray Rice and the machine behind him, so...

 

[Hapworth]

States get the right to make their own laws on Freedom of the Press and Speech also ????/

Wasn't defending it, just stating the facts on the ground -- states are currently given tremendous leeway in interpreting the Second.

 

[Lycan]

Well, it is New jersey, so I really wouldn't expect anything better. I'm not being political about this, just using common sense. New Jersey is one of those States that are run by one of the most incompetent and criminal Governments out there. It doesn't matter what "Party" they represent, the laws there are just ignorant. So, again, I wouldn't expect anything better from them.

The lesson that should be learned is to avoid states like that when ever possible or make your stay as short as possible and to obey the laws...even if they are stupid, because you won't win if you don't.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Seeing as how New Jersey Superior Court and the District Attorney's office don't feel the need to enforce the law when a sports celebrity scumbag like Ray Rice beats his girlfriend unconscious, seems they might take a similarly light touch with an honest individual who made a mistake and of her own volition alerted the officer to it.

But that would take some humanity and integrity, and Ms. Allen doesn't have the political clout of Ray Rice and the machine behind him, so...

She later married him. Any time she wants to accuse him of a crime, she may. . . . Apples and Hammers

 

[Waywatcher]

I have about as much respect for absurd laws as I have respect for absurd lawmakers.

I've never understood how people can respect 'the law' in one sentence and with the the next talk about inept, greedy, corrupt politicians (who make laws.)

 

[Mcwsky09]

I feel for her in her situation but in the CCW classroom they specify where you can and cannot carry thru the states. Some States honor permits from other States and some do not. It is our obligation to know these rules and to follow them.

I thought I read she may not have been aware that she was I a stretch of highway between two points in PA that happen to pass through NJ or maybe it was she took the wrong exit and ended up in NJ when that was not where she intended to go.
I don't think I have seen info on what the stop was for, if it was some sort of bogus deal just becuase the she had out of state plates then the whole thing should be tossed out. If people who have clearly committed actual crimes with victims can get their cases tossed out on a technicality then why not for law abiding citizens who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Maze 686]

I thought I read she may not have been aware that she was I a stretch of highway between two points in PA that happen to pass through NJ or maybe it was she took the wrong exit and ended up in NJ when that was not where she intended to go.
I don't think I have seen info on what the stop was for, if it was some sort of bogus deal just becuase the she had out of state plates then the whole thing should be tossed out. If people who have clearly committed actual crimes with victims can get their cases tossed out on a technicality then why not for law abiding citizens who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

She was nowhere near the border of Pennsylvania, she was in Atlantic County. The officer could have used a little discretion and had her secure the weapon away from the ammo and she should have known the law. It is a dumb law, but still a law she violated.

Nobody wins in these situations.

 

[dlcra]

An NRA Instructor, who lives in NJ, advised our NRA Basic Pistol class (held in Easton,PA) that, because the gun laws in NJ and NY were so bizarre we should avoid those two states, when carrying, if at all possible. So my 40c stays in PA when we go visit the grands in NJ.

 

[Harrison]

Even worse she compounded the problem by having hollow point cartridges in her pistol. The best/safest thing is to either leave your pistol at home, or don't ever visit those anti-gun peoples republics. My wife and I did a vacation in the NE last year. We very carefully avoided states like NJ and Maryland and those other states that did not recognize our Texas CCL.

 

[Hapworth]

She later married him. Any time she wants to accuse him of a crime, she may. . . . Apples and Hammers

Her marrying him is irrelevant to the crime committed. Rice was arrested and charged; in criminal matters, the victim doesn't need to make an accusation when it's determined there's compelling secondary evidence -- in this case, the security footage of the beating; the state can act as plaintiff.

The Judge and DA's office allowed Rice -- who has openly acknowledged his guilt -- to enter NJ's "diversion program", whereby first-time offenders (like Allen) can avoid jail.

The only meaningful difference in their cases, other than how they're being treated by NJ's legal system, is Rice is guilty of a violent crime, whereas Allen is not.

Two first-time offenders, both arrested, charged and acknowledging their crimes -- indeed apples to apples, provided one has familiarized oneself with the facts of each case.

 

[The Big D]

Some people are...

...too ignorant to be entrusted to carry a gun. Ms Allen is apparently one of them.

To be so remiss in not knowing the laws of the states in which she carried is violating the laws of common sense...among other laws.

Routinely, in this very Forum, folks inquire re: laws and interpretations thereof in various jurisdictions. They are smart, responsible gun owners. Ms Allen is not, based on the information known.

A few years ago I missed a LEOSA qualification and was not legal to carry in NYC during a visit there. Did I simply ignore the law and carry, regardless? No, I went unarmed as I would have been in violation of statutes. It was my responsibilty not to knowingly and willfully commit a felony.

People who consider themselves so 'special' that the law doesn't apply to them should not be entrusted to carry a gun.

Be safe.

 

[Donn]

While I feel for Ms. Allen, you'd have to be stranded on Gilligan's Island not to know that New Jersey, as well as most of the other Northeast colonies, is extremely gun unfriendly. Like it or not, it's the way things are. Hate to say it, but the old saying applies, "Ignorance is no excuse."