LVSteve
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This x1000. What's worse is every time the government looks like doing something about it all the hand-wringers and do-gooders start creating and/or it is too close to election time to see it through.
Has Sheriff Joe Gone Over The Edge?
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This x1000. What's worse is every time the government looks like doing something about it all the hand-wringers and do-gooders start creating and/or it is too close to election time to see it through.
I didn't give this story too much thought, mostly just old Joe attention whoring again. Then I had a thought. Google a map of Maricopa County. Note where it is.
It is not on the Mexican border. So the volunteer wannabes who drew down on this deputy are pretty much full of bull. If you want to go hiking around the desert with a rifle, awesome. Don't claim your 'patrolling' when you really just want to play Rambo without getting too far away from the big city luxuries.
And yes, I realize (more than most here) that smugglers don't just stop 100 feet past the border. Some of them hike for days carrying their load. But I don't think the most effective way to fight this is for volunteers to be wandering around interior counties trying to detain people.
The little militia dude is lucky this ended with him in a condition to go to jail, and not the hospital.
It is not on the Mexican border. So the volunteer wannabes who drew down on this deputy are pretty much full of bull. If you want to go hiking around the desert with a rifle, awesome. Don't claim your 'patrolling' when you really just want to play Rambo without getting too far away from the big city luxuries.
And yes, I realize (more than most here) that smugglers don't just stop 100 feet past the border. Some of them hike for days carrying their load. But I don't think the most effective way to fight this is for volunteers to be wandering around interior counties trying to detain people.
The little militia dude is lucky this ended with him in a condition to go to jail, and not the hospital.
A quick Google search shows there is still about five days left in the current Border Patrol hiring announcement. Apply. Go show them how it's done. But your post reveals you have no clue as to how things truly operate.
shouldazagged
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I think he is "over the edge" in some ways, but vigilante wannabes are asking for trouble in a situation like that. "Watchers" who make reports of illegal activity, okay. We have a neighborhood watch where I live, and I've irritated a number of drug dealers by reporting them and their license numbers when they're conducting business in my apartment complex. Wearing sidearms, sure. But patrolling an alleged high-crime area at night while armed with rifles, with no legal standing or authority to do so, smacks of the vigilante to me. Mall ninjas plus. And that stuff isn't legal.
Everybody like that I've ever known was hoping for trouble. Some found it. One may still be doing time for second-degree murder.
The sheriff was right to warn them, but he's given to being "colorful" and blustering.
Everybody like that I've ever known was hoping for trouble. Some found it. One may still be doing time for second-degree murder.
The sheriff was right to warn them, but he's given to being "colorful" and blustering.
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Exactly...........I don't feel anyone should read more into the situation or what was said than that..........The good guys are out there too, so don't go around pointing your gun at them or you could get shot.
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thomasinaz
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I don't think the Sheriff was "threatening" anyone. I think he was simply pointing out that his deputies are not going to take that kind of thing lightly and that they have every right to - and will - defend themselves. That's all.
The MSM will do what they can to make it sound otherwise.
My guess is the Sheriff would like to avoid that problem if he can, and that is why he is talking about it. But... he is saying everyone has to understand the safety of his deputies doing their sworn duty will come first.
My read, but I admit I am biased. From what I know about him, I wish we had about a thousand more sheriffs like him.
Since I am a little biased in this myself, I'll defer to M29.... Said it better than I could. I'd like to point out a clear violation of Firearm Safety Rule 2 (never point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy). Especially if the target is capable of doing the same back at you..... Someone was really lucky he pointed his rifle at a very highly trained professional, and not someone "trained" to a similar level.
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keith44spl
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Well,
I guess what Sheriff Arapio lacks in tact, he more than makes up for in grit...
I too, have worked at nite in the weeds and don't like being surprised neither.
This going's on.....On the Border, is prickly business.
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I guess what Sheriff Arapio lacks in tact, he more than makes up for in grit...
I too, have worked at nite in the weeds and don't like being surprised neither.
This going's on.....On the Border, is prickly business.
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DeathGrip
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I've been in the swamp when things were going on. Bad things. We were under a dope drop early AM getting ready to hunt and had to keep low until we thought it was safe. That damn plane went over three times. Must have been a lot of bails. '78 BTW
Thank god we weren't seen.
Screwing around in the dark can get you dead in a hurry.
I could only imagine DEA coming in and thinking we were spotters.
Out West
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Sheriff Joe is talking to his troops. He's saying "I am 100% behind you". That's the message.
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Sheriff Joe may be old but dumb he ain't. Just remember that he is on our side.
I strongly believe....
I strongly believe in the right to self defense, but I don't believe that armed groups of vigilantes are a good idea.
I strongly believe in the right to self defense, but I don't believe that armed groups of vigilantes are a good idea.
EdnAZ
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First of all, Maricopa County isn't ON the border. The incident happened around mp 140 on I-8 (east of Gila Bend). That area is a frequent "load out" spot for MJ packers. The "militias" that operate in that area, including this clown, have less than benevolent reasons.
I personally know the Deputy. He is a very cool guy. Malley was lucky; there aren't many people that can say the pointed a gun at a MCSO Deputy and didn't get shot at, especially out there.
I personally know the Deputy. He is a very cool guy. Malley was lucky; there aren't many people that can say the pointed a gun at a MCSO Deputy and didn't get shot at, especially out there.
I've lived in az my whole life. Where in the U.S.A. is there a sign that reads" ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK. THIS IS A HIGHLY TRAVELED AREA FOR DRUG SMUGGLERS" yeap right here in AZ. Unreal, yeah the border is safer than ever. And don't forget about the state park where you have to be escorted through by armed guards, yeap located in AZ again. Good ole Joe offered the Minutemen to join his posse and get trained, but I doubt they will take him up on that.
quneur
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Was it before or after this incident? If it was before then they have no business patrolling the area. Deputize them then he can pick and choose those he wants to act as eyes; for the rest, school crossing guard comes to mind.
Sheriff joe does have a program like that and they receive full training and he actively uses them. The city police departments have it as well. The problem with the militia here in Arizona is they think they are above the law and can do whatever they want which is why they don't participate in these programs. They are not looking to make things better they are waiting "for the system to crash" so they can be ready to take over. They are hoarders and peepers and have questionable sanity. Sheriff Joe is still more than capable of doing the job. "Let someone younger do the job" , have you taken a look at the younger generation and what they want to bring to the table? I will stick with Sheriff Joe watching my backyard thank you!
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There should be a Sheriff Joe in every border state, north and south, and every state on both coasts; and on every commercial aircraft....and every Amtrak train....and every civilian sea going vessel...and....
Pig Hunter
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Several years ago we were visiting our old neighbors. Their son is an EMT, and they are given threat briefings by LE. At that time Phoenix was the second most dangerous city in the world behind Mexico City. Kidnapping was becoming a growth industry. When they were hunting it was a frequent problem to have a line of illegals go down the bottom of a canyon and mess up a stalk on whatever they were hunting. There are reports of smugglers having sharpshooters on overview over their operations . The frustrations of the local legal population is high. The Sheriff is stuck in a situation that is nearly no win. At least by telling the locals that are on the fringe of legality that if they are out at night they are taking their lives in their own hands. We have an invasion of our border. National forests being used to grow marijuana. It's bad down there. With the Feds not willing to do anything but count possible future votes, Sheriff Joe is doing the best he can with a really bad situation. Mark
What has been pointed out here is living near the border, especially in AZ and TX is unlike any place you could possibly live in the US. If you don't live there or have never had the experience of living there the media will not give you that experience. It's easy to criticize a flamboyant sheriff but remember he has been elected 5 times by the voters in that county. When I lived there, the deputy sheriffs were a bunch of hard a's like you wouldn't believe. That came from dealing with tough customers routinely. They were carrying AR's in the 70's 20 years before most agencies decided they needed them. Law enforcement in those border states never has been easy and has become next to impossible now. If it were easy the 20,000 border patrol agents there would have ended the drug smuggling and human trafficking by now. Pancho Villa shot up a town in New Mexico and they sent a whole army after him for 2 years and never did catch him.
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keith44spl
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Looks like the border is recedin' faster than the hair-line of a middle aged urbanite.
Next thing ya know, it'll be the Colorado and Red River, not the Rio we're patrolin...If we ain't careful.
That line in the dirt west of El Paso don't amount to an awful lot of security...
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Looks like the border is recedin' faster than the hair-line of a middle aged urbanite.
Next thing ya know, it'll be the Colorado and Red River, not the Rio we're patrolin...If we ain't careful.
That line in the dirt west of El Paso don't amount to an awful lot of security...
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Ever been to LA? It's half way up state in California.
Sheriff Joe has always been gun-friendly and is one of those stalwart sheriffs who have publicly stated they will not enforce any new restrictive federal gun laws. He just doesn't like anyone pointing guns at his deputies for any reason. I can understand that. Point a gun at any law enforcement officer in Arizona and you might as well kiss your rear end goodbye.
A armed militiaman trying to be an ICE agent and not positioned on the border seems to me to be a bad idea, although I admit that ICE is not being permitted to do its job very effectively. I do understand the frustration.
John
A armed militiaman trying to be an ICE agent and not positioned on the border seems to me to be a bad idea, although I admit that ICE is not being permitted to do its job very effectively. I do understand the frustration.
John
Boys the Cartels have setup shop, this side of the border. Yesterday they busted a meth distribution hub in phoenix and the perps have been linked to southern neighbors, that came here to work. What a joke, Fast and Furious was an attempt to disarms us border states. Thankfully a couple of lgs recorded there conversations with the alphabet soup agengcy, or they may have succeeded, nothing like getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar, but it's a phony scandal. Thankfully the brady group gives us a zero here in AZ and I hope it continues.
There IS no border, it's long gone.Looks like the border is recedin' faster than the hair-line of a middle aged urbanite.
Next thing ya know, it'll be the Colorado and Red River, not the Rio we're patrolin...If we ain't careful.
That line in the dirt west of El Paso don't amount to an awful lot of security...
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Arpaio's been over the edge for years.
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Here in Texas--in deep SoTex--there have been and still are--armed observers helping and also being coordinated with the Border Patrol and various Sheriffs Depts. They are in local news on occasion. Sure they dress like Rambo-but most or all of them have the right to--being they once served in the Military--as well as a few in LE. I wish we had a group like this in my area. The closest we have in my area-is a "Come and Take It" group--who recently had an Armed (loaded) but peaceful rally held in Corpus Christi. NBC showed a small group of about 12--and ABC showed the full group of around 400. These people came from all walks of life-had whites, blacks, indians, asian etc--Professionals, Vets, cab drivers-plummers etc.
That line in the dirt west of El Paso don't amount to an awful lot of security...
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The only line in the dirt west of El Paso is the New Mexico border. the Rio Grande generally runs NW to SE along the southern part of the city.
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keith44spl
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Well,
It's that pesky lit'l stretch of territory along the border with Chihuahua, Sonora and Baja that I was referring to.
This cross border thing has been going on even before Prohibition...The 'Noble Experiment' that it was.
There are good folks on both sides of the border, as well as the bad.
Sometimes, friends and friendships transcends International boundaries and borders.
Kinda reminds me of the movie directed by and starring Tommy Lee Jones,
where he seeks to avenge the death of his friend.
The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada.
I'm not supporting illegal immigration in any way, but,
I do understand the desire of some to seek work for a living wage.
It's a very complex situation for sure, to say the least.
Not to hi-jack my own thread too awful much here....
Keeping law and order in the border states is tough, it calls for tough men.
That is all.
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feralmerril
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I gotta say if I had the misfortune to be born south of the border I probley would be the head of the pack. It`s the ones that come to get the freebies, smuggel the dope in, bring their paint spray cans etc. Way back we had the brazzero program under the eisenhower days where they let many in to work the crops for so long doing the work most whites here wouldnt and it seemed to work well. When I was a kid I worked right along in the fields with em. There bis no doubt we have a huge problem that is affecting the country big time. I do feel sorry for the ones that work, try to keep their noses clean and dont abuse the system or spray peoples walls, but they seem to be outnumbered by the others.We also have too many bad citizens here too.
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