hotrod150
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Hey, they should just pass a law that anyone who has a criminal history can't own a gun! That'll fix things.
Has the world really changed all that much?
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Hey, they should just pass a law that anyone who has a criminal history can't own a gun! That'll fix things.
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You can NOT go wrong with a Model 10 of any flavor
I have two 10-14's and love them both, I have M&P's as old as 1919 and as "new" as 1956, and many others, a 10-5, 10-6, 10-8.....they have been S&W's meat and potatoes service revolver for over 100 years and are just as effective today as they have ever been.
I have two 10-14's and love them both, I have M&P's as old as 1919 and as "new" as 1956, and many others, a 10-5, 10-6, 10-8.....they have been S&W's meat and potatoes service revolver for over 100 years and are just as effective today as they have ever been.
Horseless Trooper
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As I type this I have a 4in. 10-7 sitting slightly behind my right hip and it is balanced by a 1903 Colt .32acp behind the left. The Model 10 will go on the nightstand tonight where it normally resides. I am a big believer in the first rule of gunfighting ie. have a gun but I am not so fussy after that. I still believe that the .38 Special will get the job done if I do my part and very often carry my 6in. Model 14 as my duty weapon.
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Seriously. You are happy with the purchase, you are confident in the weapon, and you have, and will continue to practice with it. You don't need a bunch of knuckleheads on the internet (or at your gun shop) telling you what you should and shouldn't use for defense.
There are negatives to the .38spl and the revolver, sure. But I challenge anyone to find the "perfect" gun that doesn't have any negatives.
DigiRebel
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Why not just make a law that says it's illegal to shoot people!
Laws, fixing everything since 1774.
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As a follow-up to Mark Twain, I'm often shooting 38spcl's out of my 686+. And I like the 357mags too, but the 38's are just more fun to plink with. I'd like to have a mod 65 or 67 3" 38 spcl and/or a Lady Smith.
At 70 I've pretty much forgotten I have an IQ (LOL), but I still find stealth, wisdom, and guile trump any smart-*** jerk, especially the younger ones. Of course, if it comes down to a total lack of reason and respect for others in a desperate moment, then I'll gladly take a 38spcl that I've trained with and can tactically double tap inside a two inch circle with boring regularity.
At least sitting here tonight, that's how I see it.
Take care all,
R
Now get off the lawn punk
At 70 I've pretty much forgotten I have an IQ (LOL), but I still find stealth, wisdom, and guile trump any smart-*** jerk, especially the younger ones. Of course, if it comes down to a total lack of reason and respect for others in a desperate moment, then I'll gladly take a 38spcl that I've trained with and can tactically double tap inside a two inch circle with boring regularity.
At least sitting here tonight, that's how I see it.
Take care all,
R
Now get off the lawn punk
MHO? Gun shops, especially the big box stores, are like auto parts stores these days. There might be 1-2 guys working there who know what they're talking about, the rest know what the computer or the latest issue of Shooting Times tells them. In other words, they don't know their *** from their elbow. Hi capacity auto pistols are all that right now and are big with the advocates of "spray and pray." If you're not well drilled enough to stop a threat with a wheelgun, you probably aren't gonna stop it with a 17rd M&P either.
rasmith3442
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Welcome aboard, Sleestak. This forum is a great place with great people possessing a wealth of information and wisdom.
I have done a great deal of research on terminal ballistics and have come to the conclusion that caliber and energy are not nearly as important as good bullet design and:
1. Shot placement
2. Shot placement
3. Shot placement
4. Speer 135 +P Gold Dot Short Barrel
S/F,
RAS
Welcome aboard, Sleestak. This forum is a great place with great people possessing a wealth of information and wisdom.
I have done a great deal of research on terminal ballistics and have come to the conclusion that caliber and energy are not nearly as important as good bullet design and:
1. Shot placement
2. Shot placement
3. Shot placement
4. Speer 135 +P Gold Dot Short Barrel
S/F,
RAS
Badkarma 1
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Welcome to the forum sleestack, nice avatar by the way, ain't seen one of them guys in ages!
Sounds like the typical gunshop drivel! Wannabes spouting off the latest gun rag nonsense or internet mall ninja hooey. BLECH!
I'm one of those who've at some point in my life fired some really wicked/cool belt fed, full auto stuff that would send Diane Fienstien into a tail spin! Not too mention all sorts of semi-auto/select fire wizardry. But I still love and respect a revolver!!
A Smith M-10 is as basic as it gets, no frills, no bells or whistles, no "tactical" light mounts, hard points, or whiz bang gimmicks. Just a plain, simple fightin sixgun! To paraphrase Wayne Novak and hoping the mods pardon this, "A badass business gun!"
Despite the fact that I have access to all sorts of hi-tech vunder autos, my primary is a Smith model 60, and I am currently hunting a good used model 10 or 15 for a yard gun.
When I hear some gunshop commando dissing the .38, I'm reminded of a story Mas Ayoob once told. He was interviewing an officer who was involved in a shoot out with an individual armed with a .45! He asked the young cop if he felt outgunned or something to that effect, the young officer responded,"Naw man, he was shuckin jive with his .45, while I was shootin straight with my .38." Dale
Sounds like the typical gunshop drivel! Wannabes spouting off the latest gun rag nonsense or internet mall ninja hooey. BLECH!
I'm one of those who've at some point in my life fired some really wicked/cool belt fed, full auto stuff that would send Diane Fienstien into a tail spin! Not too mention all sorts of semi-auto/select fire wizardry. But I still love and respect a revolver!!
A Smith M-10 is as basic as it gets, no frills, no bells or whistles, no "tactical" light mounts, hard points, or whiz bang gimmicks. Just a plain, simple fightin sixgun! To paraphrase Wayne Novak and hoping the mods pardon this, "A badass business gun!"
Despite the fact that I have access to all sorts of hi-tech vunder autos, my primary is a Smith model 60, and I am currently hunting a good used model 10 or 15 for a yard gun.
When I hear some gunshop commando dissing the .38, I'm reminded of a story Mas Ayoob once told. He was interviewing an officer who was involved in a shoot out with an individual armed with a .45! He asked the young cop if he felt outgunned or something to that effect, the young officer responded,"Naw man, he was shuckin jive with his .45, while I was shootin straight with my .38." Dale
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hotrod150
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Now you're talking. We wll make the world a much better place if we can just get enough laws passed.....
First off, welcome to the forum. As you will readily see, there are some great folks here with some great information.
My comments will sound like the "Department of Redundancy Department," but I definitely agree with what the majority of the posters have said. The Model 10 is a great gun and will certainly do the job if you do your part.
Think about it. Why do you think this design has been so popular for the last 100+ years? It's because it's so darned effective! There have been lots of other handgun designs that have gone the way of the dodo during that period of time, but not the Model 10.
Congrats on your purchase. I think you'll agree, you certainly made the right choice.
My comments will sound like the "Department of Redundancy Department," but I definitely agree with what the majority of the posters have said. The Model 10 is a great gun and will certainly do the job if you do your part.
Think about it. Why do you think this design has been so popular for the last 100+ years? It's because it's so darned effective! There have been lots of other handgun designs that have gone the way of the dodo during that period of time, but not the Model 10.
Congrats on your purchase. I think you'll agree, you certainly made the right choice.
The misinformation and ignorance about revolvers and the 38 spl among the younger generation is common these days. But every once in a while one of them learns to appreciate them.
But the same also applies to some of the older generation too. My father, a life long hunter and shooter never had much good to say about snubby revolvers or the 38 spl. And he didn't have much respect for the 9MM either. But he didn't have any firsthand experience with either. As far as he was concerned a Ruger Blackhawk loaded with 44 spl was the ticket. Or a Smith 357 with full power loads.
But later in life he realized that sometimes the ole Ruger was just too big and heavy and the K frame Smith was too big. He didn't feel like carrying either.
So in his quest to find something suitable he settled on a Ruger SP101 in 22lr!. I asked him to reconsider but he didn't. But when I went home I introduced him to a J frame 38. He fell in love. I explained the advancements in ammo. The J frame was a little too light for him so he bought an SP 101 in 357 and put 38's in it.
That was several years ago and now he has a few others. He also reloads.
If I remember correctly the S&W J frame is Smith's best selling gun.
But the same also applies to some of the older generation too. My father, a life long hunter and shooter never had much good to say about snubby revolvers or the 38 spl. And he didn't have much respect for the 9MM either. But he didn't have any firsthand experience with either. As far as he was concerned a Ruger Blackhawk loaded with 44 spl was the ticket. Or a Smith 357 with full power loads.
But later in life he realized that sometimes the ole Ruger was just too big and heavy and the K frame Smith was too big. He didn't feel like carrying either.
So in his quest to find something suitable he settled on a Ruger SP101 in 22lr!. I asked him to reconsider but he didn't. But when I went home I introduced him to a J frame 38. He fell in love. I explained the advancements in ammo. The J frame was a little too light for him so he bought an SP 101 in 357 and put 38's in it.
That was several years ago and now he has a few others. He also reloads.
If I remember correctly the S&W J frame is Smith's best selling gun.
Freeway
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Dumb question time...
I have a Single Six and Single Ten. These are the only revolvers I have ever used. Why would a DA revolver be easier to maintain in a safe condition that a SA revolver? (Never used a DA revolver, so please excuse my ignorance!)
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Barring an assailant on drugs, I think bad guys that do bad things have only thought as far as plan "A." They probably haven't thought things through to plan "B," what to do after getting hit by bullets fired by their victim.
I'm sure after getting hit they're probably not thinking, ahh, it's only a .38 as they press on with plan A. (as if they'd know what caliber it is)
After getting shot they're probably thinking, this isn't suppose to happen, they're feeling the pain, seeing the blood, thinking that they're probably going to get caught in the act, or wondering if they're going to die. This could make them seriously consider a career change if they make it out alive.
Like others have said, practicing is a very important part of a survival plan, regardless of what caliber you choose, even .38 spl.
Bill
I'm sure after getting hit they're probably not thinking, ahh, it's only a .38 as they press on with plan A. (as if they'd know what caliber it is)
After getting shot they're probably thinking, this isn't suppose to happen, they're feeling the pain, seeing the blood, thinking that they're probably going to get caught in the act, or wondering if they're going to die. This could make them seriously consider a career change if they make it out alive.
Like others have said, practicing is a very important part of a survival plan, regardless of what caliber you choose, even .38 spl.
Bill
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Silver Dollar
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I'm glad to see this topic so extensively discussed. It seems that the most important factors here are the right loads and shot placement. Although I carry either a .45 1911 or a 6.5" barrel M27-9 .357, I also have a Model 15-3 that I'd like to carry from time to time. I'm having a lot of trouble finding .38 Special hollow points and that model doesn't shoot +P ammo. How do you guys feel about using just the plain old FMJ rounds for self defense? Should I just stick to the other firearms and use the 15 for target practice? Thanks for your thoughts.
Ammo is hard to find these days. But I just checked a couple mail order sites and found some. Non +P even!
Ammo To Go : 25rds - 38 Special Fiocchi 125gr XTP Hollow Point Ammo [38XTPP25] - $16.95
Ammo To Go : 25rds - 38 Special Fiocchi 125gr XTP Hollow Point Ammo [38XTPP25] - $16.95
Oops! It is +P. Dang!!
Try this. http://www.code3tactical.com/federa...special-125-grain-hollow-point-box-of-20.aspx
Try this. http://www.code3tactical.com/federa...special-125-grain-hollow-point-box-of-20.aspx
Badkarma 1
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Actually sir, your 15-3 can handle +P. All K frames made after 1957 are rated for +P.
Federal was supposed to bring the old standard pressure 125gr Nyclad round back either last year or this one, it was called the "Chief's Special" load back in the day. Also Hornady is loading a 158gr XTP at standard pressure as well. Dale
Silver Dollar
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Thanks Kanew, thanks BK for the info. If my 15-3 is rated for +P, that I can find. I just don't want the blinking thing to blow up in my hand or damage the gun in any way.
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