Don't know if anyone posted this yet but here it is. Three part series of blood and guts
Hatfields & McCoys — History.com TV Episodes, Schedule, & Video
Hatfields & McCoys — History.com TV Episodes, Schedule, & Video
Hatfields and McCoys History Channel. Monday
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Wyatt Burp
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In the previews someone carries a brass framed 1858 remington .44. They never existed! I won't watch this show! Just kidding. I can't wait to see it. It looks great. I'm curious to see how close Romania looks to west virginia (I think that's where the fued happened). I hope a few S&W .44 russians pop up in the movie. Original pics of the Hatfields show family members brandishing them is these great intimidating poses. Looks like costner, i mean Anse Hatfield, carries a Uberti pistol gripped '73 Winchester. Costner showed his expertise using one in Open Range.
DeathGrip
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The DVR's set. 
Funny thing. In about 1998, the factory I worked at (in Grand Rapids, MI)
had both a Hatfield and McCoy working there. Jerry McCoy , a supervisor, was a descendant of the originals. Nice guy. He said there were still relatives from both families but no more problems between them.
had both a Hatfield and McCoy working there. Jerry McCoy , a supervisor, was a descendant of the originals. Nice guy. He said there were still relatives from both families but no more problems between them.
I shoot on a North-South Skirmish Association team and we have several Hatfields from Southwest Virginia as members. They are kin to the feudin' ones and yes, they CAN shoot!
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Years ago I worked with another security agent. His wife also was a security officer on another nearby job. Things went bad for them and they divoriced. She went back home in that area, got to be a police chief and got killed there. Sounds like a rough area. Here is a article on her. My friend her ex, really went south after that. He had a son murdered in california and couldnt accept things and did some jail time. He had a PI private business going and kind of overstepped himself.
Chief of Police Chloe Francis Stanton, Bradshaw Police Department, West Virginia
Chief of Police Chloe Francis Stanton, Bradshaw Police Department, West Virginia
guitar1580
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I recorded it too, didn't watch it yet. Yes it happened in southern West Virginia. I was telling someone earlier today about that being some of the most remote, backwoods area of the country. Can you say Deliverance?
A friend and I took a camping trip to Logan County a few yrs ago, and toured those mountains on our dual sport motorcycles - the Hatfield / McCoy Trail system, shortly after it was first opened. You can really get way far from civilation in those mountains. Bear country, which the campground attendant reminded us of. Some rough looking backwoods folk, with a southern accent that you can barely understand. My fellow rider seemed surprised and relieved that I had a big magnum.
The trails are labled at 3 skill levels. We did them all, and some were pretty wicked. Some narrow ledges along the edges of mountains where you can look a mile or so down. Abandoned coal shafts. Steep rock cliffs to go down over.
Hatfield and McCoy Trails - The world's best ATV, side x side, and dirtbike trail riding destination! Your adventure begins with over 500 miles of trails for all skill levels! Come find out why trail riders eveywhere call Hatfield-McCoy.....Trails He
Aside from the one incident where machine and I parted ways, mid flight, and getting stung by a huge indigenous creature in the wood pile, it was a fun and interesting trip. Wish I'd have explored more local history. Anyone see the American Pickers episode of the general store down there?
Josh P
A friend and I took a camping trip to Logan County a few yrs ago, and toured those mountains on our dual sport motorcycles - the Hatfield / McCoy Trail system, shortly after it was first opened. You can really get way far from civilation in those mountains. Bear country, which the campground attendant reminded us of. Some rough looking backwoods folk, with a southern accent that you can barely understand. My fellow rider seemed surprised and relieved that I had a big magnum.
The trails are labled at 3 skill levels. We did them all, and some were pretty wicked. Some narrow ledges along the edges of mountains where you can look a mile or so down. Abandoned coal shafts. Steep rock cliffs to go down over.
Hatfield and McCoy Trails - The world's best ATV, side x side, and dirtbike trail riding destination! Your adventure begins with over 500 miles of trails for all skill levels! Come find out why trail riders eveywhere call Hatfield-McCoy.....Trails He
Aside from the one incident where machine and I parted ways, mid flight, and getting stung by a huge indigenous creature in the wood pile, it was a fun and interesting trip. Wish I'd have explored more local history. Anyone see the American Pickers episode of the general store down there?
Josh P
I was introduced to a grandson of Devil Anse Hatfield years ago by my ex FIL. Joe was elderly and in bad health at the time but you could tell he had been a hard case in his day. He was once sheriff of Logan County WV, it doesn't get much rougher than that. Supposedly Joe still had Anse's Colt and Winchester. The FIL saw them but I never did.
According to my book, "The Hatfields and the McCoys" by Virgil Carrington Jones, everyone could shoot back then. You had to shoot to to eat, and stay alive The two good looking boys on the back row of the family picture were Troy (Detroit) and Elias, two of Anse's middle children and too young to participate in the feud. The Norfolk RR had been experiencing mountaineers shooting at their trains. They hired Troy and Elias to protect them. When the word got out that the Hatfields were on the job the shooting stopped. Troy and Elias were later involved in bootlegging, a likely occupation for young mountain businessmen. An Italian bootlegger tried to horn in on their territory in Boomer, WV. They paid him a visit. Elias went in the front door, Troy the back. The newcomer fired on Elias killing him then turned and fired at Troy killing him as well, but not before Troy had put two through his heart and one in his head, everyone could shoot.
It will be interesting to see how this plays on TV. According to the book there were more non Hatfields and McCoys in the feud than the named participants. Even the governors of KY and WV got into it.
According to my book, "The Hatfields and the McCoys" by Virgil Carrington Jones, everyone could shoot back then. You had to shoot to to eat, and stay alive The two good looking boys on the back row of the family picture were Troy (Detroit) and Elias, two of Anse's middle children and too young to participate in the feud. The Norfolk RR had been experiencing mountaineers shooting at their trains. They hired Troy and Elias to protect them. When the word got out that the Hatfields were on the job the shooting stopped. Troy and Elias were later involved in bootlegging, a likely occupation for young mountain businessmen. An Italian bootlegger tried to horn in on their territory in Boomer, WV. They paid him a visit. Elias went in the front door, Troy the back. The newcomer fired on Elias killing him then turned and fired at Troy killing him as well, but not before Troy had put two through his heart and one in his head, everyone could shoot.
It will be interesting to see how this plays on TV. According to the book there were more non Hatfields and McCoys in the feud than the named participants. Even the governors of KY and WV got into it.
fat tom
Absent Comrade
Getting back to the show last night,I was pretty disappointed. The scenery didn't look much like WV (no surprise since it was filmed in Romania) and,as usual,the accents were butchered by the actors. I hope the next two episodes are better.
f.t.
f.t.
I live in the area where the feud took place. There are still a lot of Hatfields and McCoys in area. I worked with both. I will not watch it on TV since I have heard too much about it for years. There is some tourist interest and they even have an ATV trail named after it.
sigp220.45
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I watched it last night, and really enjoyed it. I'm not sure if the star-crossed lovers part of the plot is historically correct, but the rest seems to follow the story pretty well.
OP
That is pretty sad.
"It was cheaper to film it in Romania"
I still liked it OK. Better than anything else on.
At least one of the Hatfields is a politician in McDowell county or City of Welch I believe
I was very dissapointed! I simply could not understand what was being said. They really butchered the southern dialect. I started several times to change the channel but kept thinking it would get better, it didn't. Aren't there any southern speaking actors out there? How about Billy Bob Thornton, Eric Roberts and such. I ended up sleeping through the last thirty minutes. I will try it again tonight and hopefully I can get interested in it.
redneckemt
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They don t speak Southern in them parts. They got it right.
OP
They aren't necessarily southern (geographically speaking), just because they were Rebels, they're more Appalachian. I'm Texan, but I don't talk like a Geogian, or Carolinian. But we are usually Rebel brothers.
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mc5aw
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Total waste of time ... I loathe Hollywood's penchant for using historical events as backdrops for fictionalized story re-telling.
Watching the Mall Ninja "How To" videos on youtube is more enjoyable and entertaining.
Watching the Mall Ninja "How To" videos on youtube is more enjoyable and entertaining.
McBear
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That is pretty sad.
"It was cheaper to film it in Romania"
Probably safer too...
Nothing unsafe about Eastern Kentucky or Southwestern West Virginia. With 20%+ very longterm unemployment the locals would have bent over backwards to welcome any film crew into the area [Fire Down Below is a good example filmed in Perry County, KY]. It is a shame that Costners production company would not wander down here for the shoot.
Then again, Harlan County War was filmed in Canada and Justified in California.
McBear
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The accents were pretty much dead on for Appalachian. A couple were a bit exaggerated but most were very much as they were at the turn of the 19th Century and today.
For another example listen to Justified. They have the accent and cadence down stone cold.
Armyphotog
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I watched bits and pieces of the first episode. Probably won't watch the rest. Too much senseless killings by a bunch of ignorant rednecks for me to stomach. Must be something better on TV. (I can only hope!)
spirit4earth
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I like the show "Justified". Set in Harlan KY, but it looks like it was filmed in CA mostly. Good accents, though, and Raylon Givens is one cool marshall!
UncleEd
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Regarding Southern accent/patterns, a linguist in Dahlonega, Georgia, demonstrated for me the five fairly distinct patterns that can be found in Georgia, from the northern end to the Florida border.
It can be deep pitched and smooth to nearly a whine and that's just Georgia.
The only time I've had trouble understanding one of the Southern accents was on the Arkansas/Texas border near Texarkana.
Although Bill Paxton (McCoy) was born in Texas and Kevin Costner (Hatfield) is from California, actors often take diction
lessons before making a movie--how well one of them does depends on individual ability and their "ear."
As for sticking to literal historical accuracy, read a book. A movie is a condensed version of the "truth" with license to make it entertaining.
I doubt Costner, as producer, had a huge budget by Hollywood standards--his "Open Range" was made on a shoestring. And he does like to make long films, i.e. "Open Range" and "Dances with Wolves."
It can be deep pitched and smooth to nearly a whine and that's just Georgia.
The only time I've had trouble understanding one of the Southern accents was on the Arkansas/Texas border near Texarkana.
Although Bill Paxton (McCoy) was born in Texas and Kevin Costner (Hatfield) is from California, actors often take diction
lessons before making a movie--how well one of them does depends on individual ability and their "ear."
As for sticking to literal historical accuracy, read a book. A movie is a condensed version of the "truth" with license to make it entertaining.
I doubt Costner, as producer, had a huge budget by Hollywood standards--his "Open Range" was made on a shoestring. And he does like to make long films, i.e. "Open Range" and "Dances with Wolves."
Would have to hear your definition of "Southern" before entering a debate. Geographically, South is usually defined as being below the Mason Dixon Line, in which case both KY and WV, with the exception of the northern panhandle qualify. If you are comparing cultures you are correct Appalachia is a far cry from Southern aristocracy. Appalachia runs from southern NY down through PA, OH, WV, KY. VA, NC, SC, TN, GA, AL and even MS. I thought the dialect was pretty spot on for this area, maybe a little exaggerated but maybe not for that time period. I can remember great grandparents using a lot of the same words. The dialect in this part of Appalachia is likened to old English. This area was originally settled by the Scots Irish so I assume that would explain the dialect and why it is not your typical GA/SC sounding accent.
"Total waste of time ... I loathe Hollywood's penchant for using historical events as backdrops for fictionalized story re-telling."
Not sure what you mean by fictionalized story re-telling. I have only read one source on the subject but last night's show followed what I had read pretty well. The film goes into deeper or more exaggerated character development, I guess for viewer entertainment. But with the exception of the two young union soldiers that were shot for stealing the other murders were documented. There was a lot of time devoted to the romance between Johnse and Roseanna, which did occur (there is some question as to it resulting in a child) but I guess that is appealing to some viewers. You have to realize that this area is very remote. Because of that it was very lawless. The Earps and Clantons had nothing on the Hatfields and McCoys as far as taking the law into their own hands. The law was so slow, if you demanded justice, you went and got it. I moved just south of that area, Mercer county, and worked in the mines in McDowel and Wyoming counties in WV and Tazewell county in VA. The stories that come out of that area rival any from the old west.
"I watched bits and pieces of the first episode. Probably won't watch the rest. Too much senseless killings by a bunch of ignorant rednecks for me to stomach."
Now that hurts coming from MS.
Not sure what you mean by fictionalized story re-telling. I have only read one source on the subject but last night's show followed what I had read pretty well. The film goes into deeper or more exaggerated character development, I guess for viewer entertainment. But with the exception of the two young union soldiers that were shot for stealing the other murders were documented. There was a lot of time devoted to the romance between Johnse and Roseanna, which did occur (there is some question as to it resulting in a child) but I guess that is appealing to some viewers. You have to realize that this area is very remote. Because of that it was very lawless. The Earps and Clantons had nothing on the Hatfields and McCoys as far as taking the law into their own hands. The law was so slow, if you demanded justice, you went and got it. I moved just south of that area, Mercer county, and worked in the mines in McDowel and Wyoming counties in WV and Tazewell county in VA. The stories that come out of that area rival any from the old west.
"I watched bits and pieces of the first episode. Probably won't watch the rest. Too much senseless killings by a bunch of ignorant rednecks for me to stomach."
Now that hurts coming from MS.
TheHobbyist
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I think its pretty good; it's just entertainment, take it for what it's worth.
They have shows now on cakes (i.e., Cake Boss)...this is a refreshing contrast.
They have shows now on cakes (i.e., Cake Boss)...this is a refreshing contrast.
ogilvyspecial
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When I was very young both of my parents worked so a neighbor family,
who lived right next door, watched me. They were from Blairsville GA, or as
they say it, Blarsvull, which is not far from Dahlonega, up in North Georgia.
To this day I can pick up a North Georgia accent and if I don't get it right
I find that, more often than not, the person is from South Carolina,
but from the border area, down near the general Blarsvull region.
All of my life I've used some sayings that had Michigan folks looking at me funny.
When asked, I say, it's a North Georgia thing so you probably wouldn't understand.
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