Have You Had To Use Your Carry Gun?

thankfully, I have not had to use my daily or any firearm on a human. with that said, the closest I have gotten was about 8 months ago where we had a crazy, delusional and upset male individual waving a gun in the direction of innocent people. all that I can recall was praying to God that he would convince this young man to put the gun down I remember saying it at least 50 times now at this time he was no longer waving the gun but he did have it had it at a ready 6 then he tucked it back in his pants and got into his car and leaving but was later caught by MPD Praying for the enemy worked and I am greatful......
 
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No. I hope I never will. But if this time comes, I pray I will do what is right.

What makes this topic so charged, is that foggy, gray area between "I'm not sure what is happening" and "This person is trying to do serious bodily harm/ kill me and I have no means to escape". Of course then there is the legal ramifications of your actions.. even when "in the right". Deadly force SHOULD BE taken with utmost seriousness, so I guess the legal pressure has merit.

It's a terrible situation to be in and I sense the emotional toll, to take a life, would be horrible for me. But, being unable to fend off such an attach would be worse. Unfortunately, I see the odds of such an encounter on the increase. I truly pray, we always get to go home...
 
Anyone else have a time they had to draw their concealed carry?

Have had some similar incidents one in my town ended quickly as I had my phone recording, that person left very quickly.

A few towns over irate person was arrested as there car was in the middle of an intersection and they were making threats outside of there vehicle as an officer was driving by.

After a big game in other city we were followed a few miles through the city and hwy., we called LEA told them we were headed to (xyz) pulled into said public place. Two perps confronted us with bats. A lot of police took care of this before we needed to.

South Texas is a rough place although several years apart. Different people, places, ect. Always be prepared, and stay safe in the big world we live in.

Too many crazies out there..:eek:
 
Once upon a time....I knew of 3 civilian shootings where Deputies/Officers took the 'credit' for the shooting to cover a civilian defending themselves.
Now Texas has extremely gun friendly laws that likely make that unnecessary. The Cops I have known who were anti-gun were all big city Cops. I guess it was how they were raised.
 
Without drawing back his hand at all he says "I'll take this Dessert Eagle and shove it up your ___". By now I had already made the decision that if that hand moves an inch it's draw, drop elbow and shoot while pushing out.
In this situation you were right not to present your gun. This is why...
...when he said "Dessert Eagle" I think something in my brain said he is bluffing because he could not have concealed that gun as he was dressed without it being obvious.
At this moment you are not in fear of losing your life or great bodily harm because you didn't believe he had a gun. Now, it could have been a Desert Eagle Baby Eagle which is about the size of a 1911 Commander.


There are three things that must be in place in order for deadly force to be justified:
  • There must be a credible threat to life or great bodily harm.
  • The threat must be immediate. (In some states imminent is enough.)
  • The assailant must be capable of doing it.

For the threat to be credible, another reasonable person must think the same thing. In other words, would another average person have also believed this was really a dangerous threat?

Immediate means the threat is in progress, right now. The assailant can't be standing 50 yards away with a baseball bat. If he's that far away, he's no threat. Change the baseball bat to a gun and it becomes immediate if it's pointed at you.

It's the last one that gets a lot of people in trouble. Was he just saying he had a gun or did he really have a gun? If you have special knowledge about firearms, like a broad familiarity with the brand of gun in question, that will likely come out at the trial. Would it be your undoing? I don't think so, but you never know. If you really believe he doesn't have a gun, then presenting yours makes you the assailant rather than the defender.

Discussions like this are always interesting. It shows how the real world is not black and white like the classroom. It forces us to think hard about why we carry and what we might do give a particular set of circumstances.

On another note, I'm surprised the police didn't search the guys place. I mean, you had two witnesses that knew he was in there and they both heard the threat. That's probable cause. They should have searched for him and questioned him. You should press charges for assault.
 
In this situation you were right not to present your gun. This is why...At this moment you are not in fear of losing your life or great bodily harm because you didn't believe he had a gun. Now, it could have been a Desert Eagle Baby Eagle which is about the size of a 1911 Commander.


There are three things that must be in place in order for deadly force to be justified:
  • There must be a credible threat to life or great bodily harm.
  • The threat must be immediate. (In some states imminent is enough.)
  • The assailant must be capable of doing it.

For the threat to be credible, another reasonable person must think the same thing. In other words, would another average person have also believed this was really a dangerous threat?

Immediate means the threat is in progress, right now. The assailant can't be standing 50 yards away with a baseball bat. If he's that far away, he's no threat. Change the baseball bat to a gun and it becomes immediate if it's pointed at you.

It's the last one that gets a lot of people in trouble. Was he just saying he had a gun or did he really have a gun? If you have special knowledge about firearms, like a broad familiarity with the brand of gun in question, that will likely come out at the trial. Would it be your undoing? I don't think so, but you never know. If you really believe he doesn't have a gun, then presenting yours makes you the assailant rather than the defender.

Discussions like this are always interesting. It shows how the real world is not black and white like the classroom. It forces us to think hard about why we carry and what we might do give a particular set of circumstances.

On another note, I'm surprised the police didn't search the guys place. I mean, you had two witnesses that knew he was in there and they both heard the threat. That's probable cause. They should have searched for him and questioned him. You should press charges for assault.

At the moment he went under his jacket I did feel the "potential" for danger to my life, but his slowness of movement gave me time to process things while getting a grip on my glock. When he said what he did about a dessert eagle I took a calculated risk that he was bluffing. I'm aware that there is a dessert eagle 9mm which is very concealable, but knowing this person as I do I believe his statement was intended to try and intimidate. A baby eagle is certainly not as intimidating as its 50 cal big brother.

I too was surprised that the police did not search, and am writing a letter to the Chief of Police about their performance.
 
At the moment he went under his jacket I did feel the "potential" for danger to my life,...
This is the part that brings a black and white situation firmly into the grey area. This is why we have courts. This is why criminals have the upper hand on the streets. This is why you did the right thing.


I don't usually participate in these "have you ever used your carry gun" threads. They tend to involve a lot of posing and keyboard chest beating. This particular thread, and indeed this particular forum, is better than most. There is a higher caliber of member here and thereby a higher instance of truth in their tales. Having said that, I'm going back to my regular policy.
 
Just fyi, IANAL.

The law in Nevada:

NRS 200.130 Bare fear insufficient to justify killing; reasonable fear required. A bare fear of any of the offenses mentioned in NRS 200.120, to prevent which the homicide is alleged to have been committed, shall not be sufficient to justify the killing. It must appear that the circumstances were sufficient to excite the fears of a reasonable person and that the party killing really acted under the influence of those fears and not in a spirit of revenge.

[1911 C&P § 130; RL § 6395; NCL § 10077]

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/nrs-200.html#NRS200Sec130

and:

NRS 200.160 Additional cases of justifiable homicide. Homicide is also justifiable when committed:

1. In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

2. In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode in which the slayer is.

[1911 C&P § 133; A 1931, 160; 1931 NCL § 10080]—(NRS A 1993, 932)

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/nrs-200.html#NRS200Sec160

Ken
 
PO's story.

He made a threat. He showed you the gun (means to carry out the threat), it stayed holstered? If so then close but no cigar for self defense but I would think it was a clear cut assault/menacing/brandishing depending on your local laws. Did any of the witnesses stand up for you with the police? None of mine wanted to get involved & split real quick.
 
A coyote going after my Brittany. A crippled deer on the side of the road. Flipped my coat loose of the gun once (not displaying, just clearing the coat) when I was about to get cornered by a pair of guys - who recognized what I'd done and peeled off.
 
He made a threat. He showed you the gun (means to carry out the threat), it stayed holstered?

I never said he SHOWED me the gun. He SAID I'll take this dessert eagle and shove it..... Once he put his hand under the inside of his coat he never moved it from there. THAT movement would have been my signal for action.

My witness is the carpet cleaning guy, who was within hearing/seeing distance as all this took place. His input has yet to be requested.
 
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