Haven PD to ditch Glocks after explosions.

[ladder13]

Admittedly I know zero about this situation. A question. Why doesn't Glock make "supported" barrels?

 

[tomhenry]

Admittedly I know zero about this situation. A question. Why doesn't Glock make "supported" barrels?

Feeds more reliably. (Or so I've read.)

But if that's the case, does that mean aftermarket barrels which are supported don't feed reliably?

 

[imjin138]

I own several Glocks some in 45 none have blown up, I do know that the Milwaukee PD dropped the glock in favor of th eS&W M&P. they carried 40s and had some mag problems. Glock came through SE Wisconsin a few years ago and picked up a lot of polcie contracts.

After reading this and because of the Milwaukee decision i will tink hard beofe i buy another glock.

 

[badam0112]

Speer admitted that their faulty ammo caused the guns to blow. And the dept apparantly continued using the ammo after the recall?

Ammo Maker: Our Bullets Blew Up Guns | theledger.com | The Ledger | Lakeland, FL

So that puts this situation to rest. The OP article quoted was dated 3/13 and the article tomhenry linked was from the very next day. Thanks tomhenry. Whats next Glock haters?

 

[SW CQB 45]

when we were issued G21's in 93, we carried them for one month and then told to take them off duty and carry our issued 686's.

I was told there was feeding issues with the very sharp nose Hydra's duty rounds.

after about a month, we were told to carry them again. No changes, just carry.

we started breaking extractors a few years later and we had to send every slide back to glock for slide massaging. kinda like opening up an ejection port like a 1911. they also installed the then new extractor (15 degree angle) to give more clearance for ejection.

a G21 broke a feed ramp (??????????)
a G21 ripped out the rear rail from the receiver on a E serialed Glock.

in the early days of Glocks, we used re-man ammo from various resources. thats what our tight captain bought us. our biggest issue was misfires during practice or quals with practice/target ammo. it did not lend itself to weapon confidence on duty.

then they bought laquered wolf ball. OMG, the stuck cases were plentiful. the captain bought so much wolf, we had it for at least two years and finally starting buying factory PMC because it was cheaper than everything else.

there were plenty of dinks due to the use of CCI primers by PMC and the weaker striker fire system used in the glock.

One thing to note, I had never experienced or heard of a misfire with duty ammo.

some our original issue glocks (65 of them) (2nd gen) are 16-17 years old and still on duty. I have been battling admin for replacements for at least 4 years and finally got the nod they will be replacing them/trading them in.

I know Glock as along with other manufactures have had issues, but there is not enough information to say what actually happened.

what is poor ammo from the same lot
what is reloaded
could there have been an obstruction
was poor maintenance involved which may have caused to fire out of battery
was it poor design and to much exposure of the casing
was it the GAP round which in my opinion is not proven cartridge for duty carry (based on years of data)
I dont even know the pressures of the cartridge
sticking a 45 caliber cartridge in a gun originally designed to house 9mm

there are so many variables, I would have let glock analyze but then again it may have....too many to go on.

I did request G21SF as replacements. I hope they last as long as 2nd Gen guns did.

added:
I just read the previous post, there ya go.

me dos centavos

 

[Texas Star]

All manufacturers tend to disclaim liability for the use of reloaded/remanufactured ammo, not just Glock. Glocks in particular often have a problem if someone used lead bullets. This is done because there are many fly by night remanufacturing outfits (think of the infamous "gun show reloads") as well as people who simply don't know what they are doing that reload ammo.

If a gun blows because remanufactured ammo was used, the people to take it up with would likely be whoever made said remanufactured ammo.

If your gun blows up with your own reloads, well maybe it was the gun, but maybe... just maybe... it was your ammo. Shrug.

I don't know why the Glocks in question blew. Given the ammo shortage, my first question would be was someone, or the department, using remanufactured ammo or personal reloads? Did they use lead bullets and have a bore thickly coated?

Gator-

Good post! I dislike Glocks but you raised some good points.

Thankfully, I've never had ANY ammo blow my gun, but it must be pretty scary when it happens.

For what it's worth, almost all posts that I've seen on the Net with this problem have involved Glocks. But few have stated whether the ammo was reloaded. On the other hand, other brands are also used a lot with reloads, and don't seem to have these frequent reports.

Colt .45 autos may not have fully supported case heads, but they don't seem to have the problems with ammo, either. Are Colt's 9mm and.38 Super cases any better supported? Those operate at far higher pressures than does the .45.

T-Star

 

[Titan]

Speer admitted that their faulty ammo caused the guns to blow. And the dept apparantly continued using the ammo after the recall?

Ammo Maker: Our Bullets Blew Up Guns | theledger.com | The Ledger | Lakeland, FL

Geez, I guess a buck a round isn't enough to ensure quality control.
.

 

[Texas Star]

Come to think of it...where is "Haven"? I've heard of New Haven, but just Haven?

T-Star

 

[badam0112]

Winter Haven, Fl. Home of Cypress Gardens.

 

[shawn mccarver]

I don't see how this could happen and would like to know the reason for it. I carry a Glock30 everyday because I know without a doubt it will fire when I pull the trigger. If you here anything else on the matter please post it. thks.

There are many ways this could happen, and there are threads about similar incidents with Glock 40s and 45s all over the net.

One writer coined the term KaBoom or something along those lines because it was happening so much with Glocks. One culprit, among many, seems to be the "unsupported" chambers in Glocks which allow the cartridge brass to just give way violently on occasion. Another culprit, at least in early 40s, was early unlocking, which apparently allowed all sorts of bad things to occur. This whole business of exploding Glocks has been known for years. It is not a new thing.

There are other causes discussed in internet articles.

Think of the phenomenon like S&W lock failures. It happens enough to be of nagging concern (unbelievable to some), but statistically not enough to cause customers to completely abandon the design or to cause Glock to change the design of the chamber as the unsupported chamber contributes to reliable feeding.

 

[Spotteddog]

I personally am attracted to P.D.'s theory. That's a more important issue than most give it credit for being. Especially in this era of virtually every (except .45ACP) round being a high pressure loading. JOMO?