Hawaiian Money

[THE PILGRIM]

Just saw a story on TV that I never heard about before.
During the panic that followed the attack on Pearl Harbor,
Officials in Hawaii were braced for an invasion.
The Japanese were invading every else, so it was certainly reasonable to expect one there.
There was serious thought given to depriving the invaders from the great quality of US money there.
So the plan put into place was to print special money with a large Hawaii printed on the reverse.
These were otherwise regular 1-5-10-20s, just with a large Hawaii on the rear.
Until the program was cancelled, that money was required to be used there.

Hawaii overprint note - Wikipedia

 

[Sevens]

As a teenager (with a paper route), I used to love to collect coins. Older stuff, a little silver, bicentennial quarters, wheat ear pennies, simple stuff you would find in circulation.

In picking up one simple coin collecting book, I saw pictures and read about the Hawaii currency back when I was a kid.

Haven't heard about it since I read that... mid-1980's, until your thread!

 

[armadillo]

My late mother went to Hawaii after the war to visit her brother who was still in the Navy. She kept a $1 Hawaii note as a souvenir of the trip.

 

[Ray1970]

Pretty cool. I have a ton of coins from just about everywhere but don't have any cool paper money.

I do have these odd things if anyone knows anything about them. One appears to have something to do with the British armed forces, one is some sort of Japanese pesos, and the other appears to be a Yugoslavian bill of some sort.

 

[Tyrod]

During WWII American greenbacks were redeemable for precious metals. Alternative currency (like now) were basically worthless, redeemable for nothing. That alternative currency was commonly called script. GIs serving overseas in that broad time period were paid in script as well. The idea being that foreign governments couldn't hoard our real commodity based money, then redeem it for gold or silver thus weakening our economy and strengthening theirs.

Today, it's all a moot point since the Nixon years when we went off the gold standard to fiat money or currency which in and of itself is worthless.

 

[Tom S.]

The US did something similar in North Africa during the war, issuing silver certificates with bright yellow treasury seals on the front. The idea behind both these and the Hawaii dollar was they could be quickly devalued should they fall into enemy hands. I have a Hawaiian note, but no NA ones.

 

[30-30remchester]

I have a couple Hawaii notes and was gifted a North Africa note just last week by a friend.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

Not only was Hawaii (a U.S. territory at the time) using marked notes, ALL territories were using the same thing. I have seen Alaskan, Puerto Rican, and Guam (Guamian?) and heard of Virgin Island notes.

In the Eisenhower years, a number of protocols were set into law, for when there is a national emergency. (There are still several internment/relocation camps maintained for this reason) The law also provides for recalling all US currency and coins (real precious metals as noted earlier) and issuing a different "Emergency" currency. It is to be marked on the reverse with the regional title. (e.g. MIDWEST, or OHIO, or NEW YORK CITY) This allows the restriction or tracking of travelers! That law also suspends the Bill of Rights, for the duration of the emergency!

Ivan

 

[steelslaver]

In the Eisenhower years, a number of protocols were set into law, for when there is a national emergency. That law also suspends the Bill of Rights, for the duration of the emergency!

Ivan

I wonder how a they figured a law even if passed by congress and sighed by the President could supersede the Bill of rights?

My understanding is that the only way this can legitimately occur would be by another amendment. Even marshal law doesn't do this. One of the reasons for the Third Amendment.

 

[Tyrod]

I wonder how a they figured a law even if passed by congress and sighed by the President could supersede the Bill of rights?

My understanding is that the only way this can legitimately occur would be by another amendment. Even marshal law doesn't do this. One of the reasons for the Third Amendment.

It happens because "We The People" allow it to happen.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

Martial law

I wonder how a they figured a law even if passed by congress and sighed by the President could supersede the Bill of rights?

My understanding is that the only way this can legitimately occur would be by another amendment. Even marshal law doesn't do this. One of the reasons for the Third Amendment.

I completely agree. However It is a law that has not been overturned by the Supreme Court. That can't happen until they impose it, and during "THE EMERGANCY", the court just might be reluctant to do so!

As an example; Hawaii was under Martial law after Pearl Harbor, by 1944 the was no enemy military threat, but the US military refused to stand down. The US Civilian Governor of Hawaii had to petition the Supreme Court to order the ARMY to stand down. (I'm still not sure the Court has the authority to do so! The President is the CIC! which creates, Separation of Powers issues) The Army did stand down. But during martial law, a traffic ticket was a military court offense (I think it is less than a full court martial, but there is photo evidence of house wives standing before military court for a stop sign violations.)

God protect us from any situation that brings to the point where they have to decide!!!

Ivan

 

[BearBio]

I remember seeing $2 bills with the Hawaii on it==the Navy, for some reason, liked to pay in them.

 

[the ringo kid]

I think they ought to put the States names on any bills from any states. Good idea and never heard of this in what recent currency. Confederate bills had the diff states names on them. Having all (59) states names on bills would be a great new way to collect money.

 

[StakeOut]

So the plan put into place was to print special money with a large Hawaii printed on the reverse.
These were otherwise regular 1-5-10-20s, just with a large Hawaii on the rear.
Hawaii overprint note - Wikipedia

These bills also had Hawaii printed perpendicular on each side of the face.

The Hawaii overprint stamps were a simple overprinting of existing stocks of stamps that commemorated the 150th anniversary of the Hawaiian Islands by the noted English navigator Capt. James Cook,1728-1928.They had nothing to do with the war.These overprinted stamps were another bad decision by the government.

 

[16thVACav]

Pretty cool. I have a ton of coins from just about everywhere but don't have any cool paper money.

I do have these odd things if anyone knows anything about them. One appears to have something to do with the British armed forces, one is some sort of Japanese pesos, and the other appears to be a Yugoslavian bill of some sort.

Japan issued the pesos after the invasion of the Philippines in WW2. I've got a few of them somewhere around here.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Japan issued the pesos after the invasion of the Philippines in WW2. I've got a few of them somewhere around here.

I still have my Phillipino Peso.
It's Silver and minted in San Francisco.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

 

[Ray1970]

I think they ought to put the States names on any bills from any states. Good idea and never heard of this imewhat recent currency. Confederate bills had the diff states names on them. Having all (59) states names on bills would be a great new way to collect money.

I've been out of school for quite a few years now. We have 59 states?

 

[Cyrano]

They tried it with postage stamps in the 1930s: Kansas and Nebraska. Didn't work and was soon cancelled.

 

[the ringo kid]

I've been out of school for quite a few years now. We have 59 states?

According to the last president, yes, yes we do.

In other words--my joke went way above your head.

 

[ky wonder]

not only was there Hawaii, but also north African notes issued for the troops in north Africa and Europe

brown seal notes are from Hawaii


Yellow seal notes were north African they just were not over printed like the brown seal notes
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back in 1883 before becoming a US territory they had their on coinage that was minted at the US mint in San Francisco, these are fairy rare now because just after mintage of the 1883 series they became a US territory and the Hawaiian coinage was supposed to have been turned in for Yankee dollars