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Many first time posters are seeking information regarding a Smith & Wesson revolver, often older and inherited. The information below will assist you in getting the most out of the expertise available gratis on this forum.

Types of S&W Revolvers

For the purposes of this primer, there are essentially two styles of Smith & Wesson revolvers. There is the sort which has a cylinder that swings out to the side. This is known as the Hand Ejector type. The other has a barrel and cylinder assembly that pivots away from the frame. This is known as a Top Break type (inquiries about any Top Break should be posted in the S&W Antiques section).

Below is a photo of these two types, the Hand Ejector being above a Top Break.

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Incidentally, for either type, barrel length is measured from the face (forward surface) of the cylinder to the muzzle.

Markings on S&W Revolvers

The key marking on any Smith & Wesson revolver is the serial number. This is located on the butt. If the gun has grips that enclose the butt, they will need to be (carefully) removed. Be sure to include any letter(s) there, as many S&W serial numbers are alphanumeric. Also, if there is a five pointed star on the butt, that would be good to know as well.

A marking such as ".38 S&W CTG" may be found on the barrel. This simply denotes the caliber for which the revolver is chambered. It's a common mistake to fail to recognize that "CTG" is merely an abbreviation of the word "cartridge" and not a model designation.

On a Hand Ejector type, there will likely be matching numbers on the yoke and in the frame recess exposed when the cylinder is swung out. These so-called "soft fitting" numbers were utilized solely for keeping components together during manufacture. They are subsequently of no significance and immaterial to dating or identifying the revolver. However, if the revolver was made after 1957, there will be a model marking in that frame recess, such as "MOD. 10" or "MOD. 27-2" which should be noted.

Atop the barrels of many older revolvers will be a list of patent dates. These generally need not be reported.

Posting Photos

This is essential to obtaining an accurate assessment of your gun's condition, originality, and (maybe) value as a collectible. Any photo is better than none at all. Nobody here is an art critic (so far as I know).

Probably the easiest way to do this is to use one of the free photo hosting websites. I like TinyPic but there are many others. You will receive an IMG code that can be copied and pasted into the body of your post. If you hit the "Quote" button at the bottom of this post, you'll be able to see what such a code looks like (in this case, the code for the photo above which was so hosted).

Alternatively, you can use the "Manage Attachments" tool incorporated into the forum's software. This permits uploading photos stored on your computer to be attached to your post as thumbnails which can then be expanded for viewing. However, it will probably be necessary to first reduce the file sizes to conform to the limits for this method. Most email programs furnish you with a means for accomplishing this.
 
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The problem is that nobody will look at the message. I hand out info on assignments in my classes, which duplicates info in the Syllabus they all got, and I post the info on the board in my room after verbally detailing everything once. Still get asked the same silly questions over and over and over.
 
As stated elsewhere, maybe it could be made part of the registration process... this should be read and acknowledged before being granted posting privileges. There may be some additional points to include as well, to avoid having so much wasted bandwidth. JMHO :D

Froggie
 
As to the middle poll option (needs improving"), feel free to post here or send me a private message as to what could be done better....

Please keep in mind that this is for the benefit of the very uninitiated with regard to S&W's (and possibly guns in general). I'm not trying to produce a Readers Digest condensed version of the SCSW here.
 
So, you are assuming that people - especially noobs - will actually read the instructions?

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So, you are assuming that people - especially noobs - will actually read the instructions?

A "noob" who sees a something titled Help for First Time Posters may well do so, if such is prominently displayed - hence the discussion about whether it should be a "sticky" - in any event, presuming they won't doesn't absolve us from at least making some effort to make their initial experience here more fruitful (and in some cases, less humiliating).
 
A very good idea.
Kudos for taking it on.
I wish I'd had time to do it.


That's actually been hashed out before on this forum:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-smithing/125211-revolver-nomenclature-crane-vs-yoke.html

If you look at this webpage, it uses the terms interchangeably, albeit acknowledging that "crane" is Colt's lexicon:

Basic Revolver Nomenclature

Interestingly, this latter site shows that a revolver has a front strap and a back strap, but evidently no butt.

Think of it this way-
If you are trying to set a newbie off on the path toward true enlightenment, shouldn't your terms be as technically correct as possible?

S&W has NEVER, to my knowledge, used "crane" in lieu of yoke. When D.B. Wesson mentions this part in his patent applications from the earliest hand ejector days of the 1890's, he says "yoke".
Every Parts Catalog, Parts List, and Instruction Sheet I have ever seen says YOKE. See the pics below.


Basic Revolver Nomenclature
As far as this website saying they are interchangeable, they don't really! They acknowledge that both terms can be valid with the word "or". Crane IS valid for Colts and others. Even if they do say that in anyone's mind, since when do they trump D.B.? :D

I'm really not being flippant here. If we are going to instruct newbs, we should endeavor to instruct them correctly. ;)
That, and only that, is why I often jump in and correct misstatements, add to incomplete data, or contradict disinformation. To me, as the Admin, it is a moral obligation to keep bad data from becominbg "internet fact". It's all about sharing info, and if I know something that is being left out, I usually try to share it, time permitting.
 

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Fair enough, Lee. I've made the revision. "Yoke" it is.
 
and if you wish to further edgamacate the newbie's, have them refer to Lee's second photo under item N 17 that refers to "stock pin" as opposed to "grip pin" and further down under item N 19 a reference to Lee himself, "trigger stud":D
 
As a total newbie to the site (and guns for that matter too!) I did actually read the post first, and will defo follow the advice given when I work out how to describe my great grandfather's revolver! Many thanks for such helpful information.
 
Well, for the detractors that said no one would read this... I read it, but only after submitting my first post...and now realize that I included the "soft fitting" numbers but...no harm no foul I guess.
 
Well, the poll is now closed. Really pretty few votes relative to how many have viewed this thread.

At this point, I've not heard from any of the powers that be here about putting the initial post up as a sticky.
 
I think its a good idea because some people will definitely use it and learn from it. Of course some may not, but everyone uses a lot of time answering 38 M&P questions from new members. If we can have something that decreases such questions, it should be a sticky.
 

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