Help identify a revolver

melliw

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Hello everyone. A forum at calguns suggested that I come here to try and identify a revolver. First the disclaimer: If this question has already been asked, please forgive my ignorance.

I am trying to find the age of a smith and wesson .38 revolver. The box says that it is a "38 Military and Police revolver" the serial number is in the range of 93XXX. The markings on the barrel read 38 special CTO. It is a blue steel, 6 shot, apparently 4 inch barrel revolver. Any location I can search would be great.
 

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Do you have a picture of your gun for reference? 'CTO' is probably 'CTG'.

SCSW places that serial between 1906-1909 if you have the model I assume you have.


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Does the serial number contain a letter. If so this is important. A picture would be helpful. Put a piece of tape over the last two or three numbers of the serial number if it makes you more comfortable but let us know how many numbers total are in the serial number. If the serial number has no letters it will probably be a pre war model of 1905. Your question is easily answered with the right info. Welcome to the forum.
 
CORRECTION... "CTG" is stamped on the barrel.

Working on the picture.

Thank you Brainflood
 
Welcome to the FORUM! There is a thread near the top of the 1980 to present section of this forum. Your serial # is on the bottom of the butt frame. Based on what you said was on the box, it is a pre Model 10. Another name for your gun is 1905, 4TH. change. If there is no model on the crane when you open the cylinder, it is before they assigned model #'s. This started in 1957. I do not have the magic book of serial #'s. Somebody will come along, and get you close. Bob
 
Wow did I make a mistake.

There is a letter S at one end of the butt and then the serial number "934xxx" on the other end of the butt.
 
My guess is a .38 Military and Police Model of 1905, manufactured circa 1906 - 1909. Likely second generation ("2nd Change"), but as everyone else here has already said some pictures would help, because there was some overlap between the 1st gen and 2nd gen in those serial numbers and seeing the gun would help us identify it. Also if I'm wrong then the pictures will set me straight.

You'll find more detail in the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, now in its 4th edition. (If you buy the e-book, stick with the 3rd edition for now.)
 
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Wow did I make a mistake.

There is a letter S at one end of the butt and then the serial number "934xxx" on the other end of the butt.

OK that clears it up. I guess you posted that correction just as I was typing my previous guess. As others have already said, that makes it a postwar M&P manufactured 1945-48. Looking forward to those pictures!
 
There is a letter S at one end of the butt and then the serial number "934xxx" on the other end of the butt.

First, welcome to the Forum.

Second, you have an immediate postwar .38 Military & Police revolver. The S prefix was used only from March, 1946 (ship dates) until sometime in 1948. Actual stamping of the S prefix guns started in September, 1945 and stopped in March, 1948, when the serial sequence hit S999999. That one actually shipped to Minnesota in June, 1948.

The S sequence began at roughly S811xxx and was intermingled with SV prefix guns for a short while. Both the SV and S prefixes were used to wind up the serial sequence that began on April 24, 1942 with V1. In December, 1944, the S was added in front of the V to indicate an internal engineering change involving a new sliding hammer block safety mechanism. When wartime production stopped, the SV was phased out in favor of the simple S. When the S sequence ran out, it was replaced with the C prefix, in March, 1948.

Your particular example, S934xxx, very likely shipped in August, 1947, possibly September of that year. The M&P was a high volume shipper in that period, so most of them didn't hang around the factory for long after they were produced. Ship dates are quite consistent during this time, unlike during earlier and later periods. So we can usually guess pretty closely on ship dates for these guns (with only occasional outlying examples showing up).

I'm in the midst of a research project on these revolvers. I would greatly appreciate having the complete serial number for your gun. If you don't wish to post it openly, perhaps you would send it to me via PM. Ownership isn't tracked, just serials and features. If you can post some clear pictures here, it would also be appreciated. A pic of the left side is the most needed.

Regards, and thanks for posting.
 
You'll find more detail in the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, now in its 4th edition. (If you buy the e-book, stick with the 3rd edition for now.)

As it turns out, there is very little helpful information in the Standard Catalog about these S prefix postwar M&P revolvers. Jim and Richard did not have the benefit of my research when they were putting together the 4th Edition because my wife was in a battle with cancer at the time and I was never able to get my compiled data to Jim, even though I had agreed to do so.

But, I hope to have a Journal article ready to go in the next few months and then collectors will have a more complete picture of this interesting group of revolvers. The study has proven to be quite enjoyable and enlightening. :)
 
He's got the box, too, guys.

Yes. Presumably it is the gold one at this serial number. As far as I can tell, the maroon examples ran out sometime in '46. I haven't actually found a maroon example from '47 yet, although they might exist.

Edit: I just checked my database. The highest serial number for which I have a documented maroon box is S851576, shipped in November, 1946.
 
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As it turns out, there is very little helpful information in the Standard Catalog about these S prefix postwar M&P revolvers. Jim and Richard did not have the benefit of my research when they were putting together the 4th Edition because my wife was in a battle with cancer at the time and I was never able to get my compiled data to Jim, even though I had agreed to do so.

But, I hope to have a Journal article ready to go in the next few months and then collectors will have a more complete picture of this interesting group of revolvers. The study has proven to be quite enjoyable and enlightening. :)

Sorry you and your wife had to go through that. I am looking forward to learning more from your article. I was only recommending that book based on the first serial number posted here, and there is indeed very little about this S series in either edition.
 
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