help me see the differences....

[George9]

What is it that you don't like about the Internal lock on the LC9? So small you can barely even see it nor do you have to use it.. From what your saying and i think I hear you.. A Shield will fit your bill well.. Now get out and find a dealer that has one so you can at least handle it for yourself and see.. George

 

[681ismyfavorite]

George, i dont buy defensive guns with additives which do not aid it in shooting better. the built in locks do not aid the gun or the shooter in firing faster or more accurate. they do not enhance the gun's safety when carried for self defense either.

 

[George9]

But does it take anything away as far as trigger or safty goes? Disengaged it does nothing at all.. I read what you said but my question is still why? George

 

[681ismyfavorite]

But does it take anything away as far as trigger or safty goes? Disengaged it does nothing at all.. I read what you said but my question is still why? George

i dont want a self defensive gun which needs a tool to disengage its lock should it malfunction. there are already enough things which can go wrong with a gun mechanically, i'll not enlist another gimick into the mix.

i have two locked guns, a walther p22 and a ruger lcr-22; neither of which are intended as defensive guns.

 

[George9]

There is way more that can and does go wrong with any bottom feeder " pistol if you will" with or without a safty lock. If you want reliability get a revolver.. Better yet a single action one.. Even a $20,000 dollar built custom 1911 is not going to be 100% reliable 100% of the time.. Only buying a gun you think you like and shooting a few thousand rounds down range may give you that warm fuzzy feeling of reliability and maybe even a false sense of security when you need it.. I'm really trying to help here.I don't have a gun that I would not grab and use if need be and feel secure in doing so.Wife does in fact have a LC9 I have no issues with it at all! George

 

[681ismyfavorite]

forget it, this has gone off track. i was asking for information about a gun gun i wasnt familiar with. hoped to get the ins and outs from those whom actually own one. instead i got poindexter lip and veiled sarcasm... i see information is best found by my own research than from forums members pretending to be in the know.

 

[George9]

You got the info you asked for about the M&P's in the compact and Shield models as well as some Full sized models.. Maybe you just need to hear they have no safty lock like the LC9 does.. Like I said I'm really trying to help here! George

 

[681ismyfavorite]

You got the info you asked for about the M&P's in the compact and Shield models as well as some Full sized models.. Maybe you just need to hear they have no safty lock like the LC9 does.. Like I said I'm really trying to help here! George

the jab wasnt towards you.

 

[K.macocker]

I think your questions (in some cases) were so far off people thought this was sort of a joke.
Basically 2 shields, a 9mm and.40 (single stack)
There is a m&p full size in 9 and 40 as well (double stack)
There is an M&Pc (c for compact). Same basic gun as the full size 9 and 40 with a shorter grip frame and may be a tad shorter in length. Uses same basic mag as the full size (fs) m&p. The fs can not use the shorter mags of the compact.

Shield is a thinner gun. Witnesses/owners claim to be highly reliable, comfy, with a nice trigger for a self protection weapon. Especially for the money.
Many many people have switched to the shield from other larger or same size pistols. But finding one is verb difficult to find these days.
Shield has a thin safety that is almost flush on the gun so if you don't want it don't engage it and it will not be an issue at all.
The mag disconnect can be deactivated on m&p hand guns. YouTube videos show u how.
So now annoying safety's Are not an issue.
Bullet in the chamber indicator is basically a hole in top of the gun that you look into. You see shinny brass it's loaded.

If trigger is an issue for you (which the shield isn't bad at all) there are aftermarket kits to improve that and more YouTube videos to show you how.

Reliability and comfort in the hands are my main concerns. Those 2 things can't really be changed with aftermarket parts. But triggers are an easy fix if everything else on the gun is to your liking

Good luck on your search
Kmac

 

[Lost Lake]

forget it, this has gone off track. i was asking for information about a gun gun i wasnt familiar with. hoped to get the ins and outs from those whom actually own one. instead i got poindexter lip and veiled sarcasm... i see information is best found by my own research than from forums members pretending to be in the know.

Wow.

For the record you asked "what is the most compact 9mm shield?"

That tells me you are confused about S&W models. There is only one Shield, and it is an M&P Shield.

So we tried to answer your question by guessing what you meant.

Did you want to know which M&P is the smallest?

Did you want to know if the Shield is the smallest striker fired S&W?

Did you want to know what the smallest S&W 9mm is?

And I think I answered your question.

The S&W CS9 is the smallest 9mm Smith makes.

The Shield is the smallest M&P.

The M&P compact is the smallest M&P available without a safety.

Compliant versions have heavier triggers and/or less capacity and some have mandatory safeties.

I think you can lose the "I'm better than you guys" attitude. You also have no right to expect us to teach you anything. You can ask (politely) for opinions and information, but we're not here to serve you.

I have found the forum members here to be extremely knowledgeable, extremely patient and very polite.

But most will not react well to a poster with an arrogant attitude.


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[681ismyfavorite]

I think your questions (in some cases) were so far off people thought this was sort of a joke.
Basically 2 shields, a 9mm and.40 (single stack)
There is a m&p full size in 9 and 40 as well (double stack)
There is an M&Pc (c for compact). Same basic gun as the full size 9 and 40 with a shorter grip frame and may be a tad shorter in length. Uses same basic mag as the full size (fs) m&p. The fs can not use the shorter mags of the compact.

Shield is a thinner gun. Witnesses/owners claim to be highly reliable, comfy, with a nice trigger for a self protection weapon. Especially for the money.
Many many people have switched to the shield from other larger or same size pistols. But finding one is verb difficult to find these days.
Shield has a thin safety that is almost flush on the gun so if you don't want it don't engage it and it will not be an issue at all.
The mag disconnect can be deactivated on m&p hand guns. YouTube videos show u how.
So now annoying safety's Are not an issue.
Bullet in the chamber indicator is basically a hole in top of the gun that you look into. You see shinny brass it's loaded.

If trigger is an issue for you (which the shield isn't bad at all) there are aftermarket kits to improve that and more YouTube videos to show you how.

Reliability and comfort in the hands are my main concerns. Those 2 things can't really be changed with aftermarket parts. But triggers are an easy fix if everything else on the gun is to your liking

Good luck on your search
Kmac

THANK YOU.youve given me what i was looking for.

if the questioner was smarter than the answerer i wouldnt need you guys would i?

 

[681ismyfavorite]

Wow.

For the record you asked "what is the most compact 9mm shield?"

That tells me you are confused about S&W models.
.

did the thread title give that away?

 

[Muffduster]

What the OP really needs is a Magnum Research BFR 10" barrel chambered in S&W .500. At least I think that's what he's looking for in a gun. I honestly cannot tell????????