Help with 41 mag

[Doubless]

For many years my "go-to" load was 21 grains of IMR 4227 behind my own hard cast Lyman 410459. I found it reasonably softer in recoil and accuracy was outstanding. I used the same load behind the Remington 200-grain SJSP, for whatever it is worth.

And I used standard primers. The few unburned/partially burned kernels of powder never bothered me.

 

[series guy]

... and nearly every picture of a cartridge case in fragments I've seen over the past 2 years had this crud in it.
Do not use TG in a magnum revolver.

I load for all revolver cartridges from .32 S&W Long to .45 Colt. I'm soon to finish my second 8lb container and I started with about half an 8 pounder that a friend donated. So i'm thinking that i've used about 20 pounds of Titegroup. Most all my loads are between 6 and 3.2 grains. so just for a quick average i'm figuring 1200 rounds/pound of powder. works out to about 24 thousand rounds give or take a thousand. Have NEVER had an issue to date. If you can't be a bit cautious reloading then you shouldn't be participating. Don't blame the product for improper use.

 

[gwpercle]

If you reload, cast bullets , powders like Unique, Universal and Blue Dot ( and others ) will let you maximize what the neglected 41 will do.
And with the powder shortage , cast bullets open up your choices of different powders .
I've been using a Lee 410-195-SWC bullet and Red Dot powder for some sweet target , plinking and small game loads. Bottom line is you have to use whatever powder you can get these days. No more full dealer shelves of any powder you want, those days are gone forever.
Gary

 

[venomballistics]

I load for all revolver cartridges from .32 S&W Long to .45 Colt. I'm soon to finish my second 8lb container and I started with about half an 8 pounder that a friend donated. So i'm thinking that i've used about 20 pounds of Titegroup. Most all my loads are between 6 and 3.2 grains. so just for a quick average i'm figuring 1200 rounds/pound of powder. works out to about 24 thousand rounds give or take a thousand. Have NEVER had an issue to date. If you can't be a bit cautious reloading then you shouldn't be participating. Don't blame the product for improper use.

I've loaded for many of the standard issue cartridges from 38 to 458 Ive also loaded for wildcats, most established, some, one off.
I lost count of the pounds of powder I've used long before TG was ever offered.
How many rounds you get out of a pound is largely irrelevant.
I'll trade the 8 cents of savings per box for the performance offered by something better each and every time.

It is impossible for me to screw up every possible way that can be conceived. so I look to the misfortunes of my fellow man to save myself both workload and medical bills.
Of the blown guns and ruptured cases observed over the past two years, easily 80% involved the use of titegroup.
I do not know why this is exactly, but I'd be a fool to ignore the frequency of it's appearance.
As a result, I will never recommend this powder.
If you are asking about it, odds are, you do not know enough to use it right.
Those who do have the skills to use it correctly have very few questions left to ask.

 

[BruceM]

Unique for milder loads, 296/H110 for full steam rounds, works great in my Model 57.

I've never been much for reduced loads in magnum handguns but H110/W296 is my powder of choice in full power hunting loads for .41 & .44 magnums and a very close second in the .357 magnum.

If you reload, cast bullets , powders like Unique, Universal and Blue Dot ( and others ) will let you maximize what the neglected 41 will do.

I use Blue Dot only in 10mm maximum loads. That said, it is my understanding that Alliant quit recommending Blue Dot for use in the .41 Magnum and pulled all loading data. Blue Dot has acquired a reputation (deservedly or not) for temperature sensitivity and erratic pressure characteristics as you approach maximum loads. If you plan on trying it, double check the manufacturer's website first plus proceed with caution.



Bruce

 

[MM1313]

Guys I just wonder how much it will change things, scince I'm just punching paper and water jugs. The data called for a hornady hp, I got the Sierra jhc.. Thanks

 

[Doubless]

MM, in my somewhat extensive handloading experience (I started in 1980...), I have learned that a handgun projectile is pretty much a handgun projectile, so long as weights are consistent. For that I mean that if you are shooting Hornadys and you run out of 240s for your 44 Mag, you can probably substitute the 240s from Sierra and be okay. The same for Remingtons, etc., so long as you are not absolutely at the top end of the scale. And jacketed is jacketed, cast is cast. Friction coefficients are markedly different.

The revolvers we shoot are over-engineered, if that is a word. They are designed to hold pressures at least at max if not probably 30%-40% over. That does NOT mean to load to that point, it just means the manufacturer is trying to make sure he protects his hindquarters against a blow-up.

Now: having said all that, if you need to change projectiles, take what I said and think about it before just jumping in. Look at the two different projectiles; check bearing length, crimp groove location, COL, etc. If they are within tolerances, I say go for it. Just understand what you are doing, and be judicious and careful in your determination.

 

[MM1313]

Yeah I'll Check everything, the Sierra is the same grain Lyman used. And I'll for sure load to spec. The manuals are conservative, so I figure I'll be ok. I've had really good luck loading for my mod 25, it sure makes you feel good sending rounds down range and the grouping is pretty good at 35 yards knowing you put it all together...

 

[BruceM]

the Sierra is the same grain Lyman used.

My emphasis added.

Mini rant:

"Grain" is a unit of measure the same as inch or pound. The Sierra bullets are the same inch as the Hornady or Remington?

How about: " Sierra is the same weight as Lyman used".

Mini rant off.



Bruce

 

[Groo01]

Groo here
41mag starline brass, win primers,215gr swc [sns coated]
heavy crimp,and 6gr [1/2 gr under book max] Trailboss.
Accurate in all we tried,[5 guns]clean, about "police" level loads.

 

[scott1970]

My hands down favorite load with a 210 gr. bullet is 15.3 gr. of 2400. Here are some I cast with an old H&G mold. They don't get much nicer.

 

[Blowncar]

I have a 57MG as well and my favorite range rounds is;

Berry's Bullet's 210gr flat point
10 grains of Longshot 1.585

Enough to know you are shooting a magnum but not too hot so you can shot 50+ easy.

Also Longshot is really easy to find and @ 10 grains you get a lot of rounds from a bottle and it fills up the case past halfway.

 

[Andre_Coop]

I have everything to reload for my 41 mag, gun I'm loading for is a S&W mod 57 mountain gun. Need help finding Alliant 2400. My Lyman states in bold which is their supposed most accurate load for the 210 grain bullet. I have everything the Lyman suggest but the powder. Thanks guys

Safety first and always.

Here are my two favorite internet guides that supplement my printed manuals. Which by the way, my Lyman 48th edition (2002) calls AA#9 as the best for the 210 gr Jacketed HP. One should have a couple printed manuals and then use the powder manufacturers websites for further "investigative" work. :cheers:

1: Set your sights on pistol reloading data | Hodgdon Reloading

2: Load Data « Accurate Powders

 

[MM1313]

Thanks Andre, pretty interesting reading..

 

[BigBill]

I like 2400 for all my jacketed Magnum loads and unique for all my lead cast loads.

I guess with these powders harder to find I will have to switch when I run out.

 

[m657]

re: " I'm loading for is a S&W mod 57 mountain gun."

I've been surprised that the clone to yours I load for at home, doesn't seem to care which powder is used, as long as I stay in the recipe for about 1050-1250 fps.

Mostly I've used a variety of 210-215 SWC cast with a few 200 & 215 FMJ or JHP as well.

One of the most accurate revolvers I've ever had.

 

[cowboy4evr]

In a post above it was mentioned about Alliant posting that the use of Blue Dot was now forbidden by them . I have used it with great success for years so I continue to use it . I did some research as to " why " and my sources said the problem was the reloader , not the powder (didn't look at the COL for the data he was using ) . Anyway , I'm not saying I know more than Alliant . It is interesting that in the latest Speer manual #14 they list a Blue Dot load . Even though they are both owned by the same parent company I guess Speer doesn't talk to Alliant .
BTW , I have used that published load of Blue Dot in the Speer manual with great success .

 

[Frank237]

Thanks guys for the info, it's very appreciated, I believe I'm gonna try the imr, I think the Winchester mag primers will cut down some on the unburnt powder. Only thing is as per the manual they used the hornady Jacketed hp in the 210gr I bought the Sierra jhc how will this affect the load. The hornady was higher than the Sierra and scince I'm jus punching paper and water jugs I didn't figure I needed the hornady.

Why not use some 210 gr CAST slugs?

 

[epj]

For many years, my favorite 41 load has been a cast swc and 7 grains of Unique. It is fairly tame and accurate. You can also use 231 or any of a number of other powders for some mild loads.

I used a lot of a similar load for bowling pins. A similar amount of Universal will likely give good results as well.

 

[GavinLee]

I read somewhere that Alliant had published some bad loads for Blue Dot for the .41 mag and also for 125 gr. jacketed for the .357 magnum and after that they put out the message "no Blue Dot in the .41 and with 125 gr.jacketed in the .357 mag". There is no reason this powder shouldn't be fine in both applications with the correct charges. I like Blue Dot for just off full "magnum" loadings in the .44 mag and .357 mag.
GavinLee