Here's the scoop getting you LTC in Texas.

[the ringo kid]

I've read this twice and have to ask...how does one open carry with a fanny pack?!?

It's carry--period-and NO ankle holsters allowed and NO-carrying in a backpack etc.

 

[the ringo kid]

My understanding of the law is that, at least for commercial establishments, the notification has to be written and has to comply exactly with the provisions of 30:06 and 30:07. A verbal notification or non compliant sign is invalid.

A private residence is a different story. At least I would think so.

Pvt residence and Pvt. Business-which CAN be a substitute for a "home" though not necessarily a home. Im not sure how to properly explain it properly for fear of not telling it like the instructor said it.

 

[the ringo kid]

Never the less, discretion is the better part of valor. If one wishes to avoid problems, if that one is asked (inside any location) to leave if armed, it would seem to be a very wise thing to comply. The law is different in different places concerning this fact, but it seems to me that just because one can do something, even legally, it does not mean that it is wise to do that thing. It's my opinion that one should be as wise and smart as possible. If I am told I am not welcome in a place with my firearm, posted or not, I do not intend to stay there, with or without my weapon. I would expect no less if the business or the home was mine and I was the one asking someone to leave for any reason.

EXACTAMUNDO!! and thanks.

 

[the ringo kid]

And yet Chicago is the crime capital of the USA lol

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They'll get a respite for awhile as Arctic weather will put a damper on gang-banger-wannabe activity.

 

[the ringo kid]

Ringo I know this is an old post but I have to ask.

I thought the posted 07 sign means "no open carry"?
The posted 06 sign means "no concealed carry"?

Honestly, I cant remember which number goes with which explanation. All I know for sure-for like places making at least 51% of their total sales-in alcohol products--means no entry with gun on any circumstance--unless-said business owner allows you to with written or verbal agreement. Any business expressing wishes for one to not come in with a gun--ill respect their wishes-others have only "asked" customers to not bring them in-not saying they cant bring them in. Something like that stems from idiots who brought AR-style rifles-into a coffee shop. Yeah they have the right-but they forgot-or didnt care that some people freak out at the sight of things made of wood and metal.

Im almost at the point that I dont care what they think of me having a gun in holster--but id still try to do whats right/

 

[the ringo kid]

.here you go.....
.TxDPS - License to Carry (LTC) FAQs

Here I go again posting before reading-or counting chickens before eggs hatch.

 

[the ringo kid]

Thanks, Ringo!! I haven't been to Texas for awhile, but I believe that my WV Concealed Carry is good there. And I have LEOSA as well, but like to keep my WV and FL carry licenses up as well, in case I run over my certification period with my LEOSA.

In all of my years of carrying, I have never been asked about my gun, or a license, or anything. One of the reasons that I like concealed carry, is that if truly concealed, no one knows you have it, and don't ask about it.

Thanks for all the time you put into this post, and the helpful information.

Finally, congrats on passing the course.

Best Regards, Les

And thank you. IF you ever decide to move here? ill be glad to sponsor you. I just wished that NRA-or LTC instructor--would have corrected me on anything if I wasnt right? instead of tossing a rock into a calm pond-NOT offering advice. I notice he hasnt posted since.

 

[Old TexMex]

Here I go again posting before reading-or counting chickens before eggs hatch.

Ankle holster is a legal concealed carry method (So is Mexican carry or hidden under your hat or in the crotch of your BVDs) as long as it's concealed. It's not legal to "open carry" in any way other than shoulder holster or on the waist.
Possession of a firearm open or concealed in an establishment that displays 51% is illegal.

 

[KSDeputy]

Way, way too complicated. The instructor should have given you and all students a copy of the law. Wish they had constitutional carry as we have in KS. TX is my home state, I grew up there. I want them to have constitutional carry.

 

[buzzkillbob]

When I decide to carry? it sure AINT going to be in a "fanny pack" or "men's purse." Holster only-whether OC or CC.

It's carry--period-and NO ankle holsters allowed and NO-carrying in a backpack etc.

You responded to me twice, but still haven't explained how one open carries in a fanny pack. You had it listed under "open carry" in the post I quoted. I don't see how it wouldn't be considered concealed.

 

[buzzkillbob]

Way, way too complicated. The instructor should have given you and all students a copy of the law.

I took the class a while back (before 30.07). I didn't find it that complicated. Texas did produce CHL-16, which covers the laws.

 

[GaryS]

I believe you're mistaken, my friend. The bolded part, at least. The 51% law is set by the TABC. I doubt that the store owner can authorize anyone to ignore that law.

The 30:06 and 30:07 provisions are in the LTC law, not done by the TABC. An owner must affirmatively inform people that they can not carry on their premises.

"Asking" or posting a non compliant sign is not binding on anyone. If someone chooses to obey either, that's their choice.

As I've said before, maybe even in this thread, I don't plan to open carry, but I do like not having to worry about printing or accidental exposure.

If I'm lucky enough to move to TX, one of the first things I plan to do is take the TX course and get my TX LTC. Until then, I'll use my recognized in TX Mass. LTC.

Honestly, I cant remember which number goes with which explanation. All I know for sure-for like places making at least 51% of their total sales-in alcohol products--means no entry with gun on any circumstance--unless-said business owner allows you to with written or verbal agreement. Any business expressing wishes for one to not come in with a gun--ill respect their wishes-others have only "asked" customers to not bring them in-not saying they cant bring them in. Something like that stems from idiots who brought AR-style rifles-into a coffee shop. Yeah they have the right-but they forgot-or didnt care that some people freak out at the sight of things made of wood and metal.

Im almost at the point that I dont care what they think of me having a gun in holster--but id still try to do whats right/

 

[the ringo kid]

Ankle holster is a legal concealed carry method (So is Mexican carry or hidden under your hat or in the crotch of your BVDs) as long as it's concealed. It's not legal to "open carry" in any way other than shoulder holster or on the waist.
Possession of a firearm open or concealed in an establishment that displays 51% is illegal.

I stand corrected-and might have been something I missed when taking notes.

 

[the ringo kid]

You responded to me twice, but still haven't explained how one open carries in a fanny pack. You had it listed under "open carry" in the post I quoted. I don't see how it wouldn't be considered concealed.

Im not sure HOW to explain what my instructor said that would be good enough. However, as far as I know at this time--just unzip the fanny pack and place it inside then zip it again. Sorry if this comes off wrong? but,

 

[the ringo kid]

I believe you're mistaken, my friend. The bolded part, at least. The 51% law is set by the TABC. I doubt that the store owner can authorize anyone to ignore that law.

The 30:06 and 30:07 provisions are in the LTC law, not done by the TABC. An owner must affirmatively inform people that they can not carry on their premises.

"Asking" or posting a non compliant sign is not binding on anyone. If someone chooses to obey either, that's their choice.

As I've said before, maybe even in this thread, I don't plan to open carry, but I do like not having to worry about printing or accidental exposure.

If I'm lucky enough to move to TX, one of the first things I plan to do is take the TX course and get my TX LTC. Until then, I'll use my recognized in TX Mass. LTC.

Heh heh, not if I understood what the instructor said? Prior to the class, some stuff is common knowledge garnering info from those here, and in personal conversation with LEOs - locally. Some info I got from a City Marshal-trouble is, he's been wrong on a couple of non-related laws or ordinances.

 

[GaryS]

I think he's wrong on the 51% thing. Ironically, sometimes LEOs are more ill informed than licensed gun owners.

An owner or manager can waive the 30:06 or 30:07 signage. I've seen that done, once at a hotel.

BTW, I think the blue TABC signs posted at stores that sell alcohol are pretty odd. They essentially say that carrying a gun illegal on the premises is illegal. I would think that people who are carrying without a LTC probably know that they are breaking the law.

Heh heh, not if I understood what the instructor said? Prior to the class, some stuff is common knowledge garnering info from those here, and in personal conversation with LEOs - locally. Some info I got from a City Marshal-trouble is, he's been wrong on a couple of non-related laws or ordinances.

 

[Tinhack]

If the pistol is entirely in a fanny pack and zipped up, it's concealed. (And meets the requirements for concealed carry.) If any portion of the pistol is visible, it's open carry and illegal. The law states that open carry pistols MUST be in a shoulder holster OR a belt holster. No IWB for open carry. The holster requirements are specific. Anything else is unlawful carrying.

I noticed two very important words missing from the "notes" on lethal force and will be tested by the courts. Those two words are "Immediately Necessary". If someone comes at you with a knife then withdraws, for whatever reason, the test fails. Beyond self defense, the law is written to include several specific actions that can be defended by lethal force AND that force is immediately necessary to stop the actor. The law also includes some specific property crimes that can be defended by lethal force and these too have specific immediately necessary requirements.

You would be a wise man to tuck those notes away and read the law. It's available in PDF format. Print it out and read it if your class didn't include a hard copy. Everything you noted is in the law and then some.

 

[buzzkillbob]

If the pistol is entirely in a fanny pack and zipped up, it's concealed. (And meets the requirements for concealed carry.) If any portion of the pistol is visible, it's open carry and illegal. The law states that open carry pistols MUST be in a shoulder holster OR a belt holster.

At least someone understands the point I was trying to make earlier...

 

[alexrex20]

If the pistol is entirely in a fanny pack and zipped up, it's concealed. (And meets the requirements for concealed carry.) If any portion of the pistol is visible, it's open carry and illegal. The law states that open carry pistols MUST be in a shoulder holster OR a belt holster. No IWB for open carry. The holster requirements are specific. Anything else is unlawful carrying.

Can you explain your logic that a IWB holster that secures onto a belt is not a belt holster?

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[TX-Dennis]

Can you explain your logic that a IWB holster that secures onto a belt is not a belt holster?

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Yup . . . sure sounds like a belt holster to me. If wearing it outside one's shirt it would seem to qualify for open carry at least in my mind. Keep in mind, though, that I am neither a LEO nor an attorney so my opinion is worth what you paid for it.