Hey S&W How about an AR Carbine in 9mm ?

[fdw]

I've got two 9mm carbines and really like them. LGS had a CZ Scorpion with suppressor that was pretty cool. Lot of aftermarket for the Scorpion.... I think the 9mm carbines are really catching on.

 

[murphydog]

Even though we are near the first anniversary of this thread...

If S & W had enough demand to make parts for a 9 mm M & P carbine in quantities sufficient to make a profit, they would at least think about it. As mentioned above, the .223/5.56 version has pretty much dominated the LE market, so even if the parts are similar to a 9 mm they are different enough to mandate a dedicated production process, and in smaller quantities. Which is probably why you can get 9 mm uppers (and complete guns?) from small volume makers, at higher cost.

 

[Glashaus]

9mm Carbines have their place and are a lot of fun, they do not need to be S&W for me

My CMMG MK9LE 9mm AR with a Slidefire stock



My Beretta CX4 9mm, uses M92 mags



And my new favorite, my Zenith MKE Z 5rs with a SB tactical brace (MP5 clone)

 

[TeamPB]

A S&W M&P 9mm carbine, not necessarily an AR would be added to the top of my immediate list. Currently the CZ Scorpion Evo carbine is number 1 and the Beretta CX4 is a close second. I am a born again shooter. I kept six pieces unused for 25 years and started again about five months ago, my honey has jumped in with both feet and become an avid, safe and competent shooter in those few months. She wants to keep improving. We have purchased three firearms in the past 5 months, all for her (sure), an M&P .22 compact, an M&P 15-22 and a Sig P320 compact. There is a pattern, they are light and a little soft and tons of fun.

So no M&P 9mm carbine. Anyone want to share thoughts or opinions about the CZ? The momentum is picking up speed, I have Tuesday off and I will probably visit my very good LGS to see what they can do.

 

[Dad_Roman]

Most people buy 9mm AR carbines due to ammo cost, familiarity, ability to shoot at indoor pistol ranges, reduces noise/blast, and quite simply, because they are fun.

Id buy one.

Already have several....getcha some.

Hi-Point...lifetime warranty...send ya free parts if you wanna do it yourself...300 bucks any caliber you want.
9mm
.380
.40
.45

I have a couple of 9mm's and a .45. Never glitch, eats anything and a butt load of fun.

...but Id love to have an M&P

 

[JaPes]

An AR-pattern 9mm carbine? If you really want one, you can buy one. It doesn't have to be S&W branded. The big decision in either buying one or building one is deciding on which pistol magazine you want to use. Most of the ones I've eyeballed utilize Glock mags which are cheap and plentiful.

I've eyeballed 9mm AR-15's but what's the point in one? We are lucky to live in a pistol caliber carbine design rich environment. The Turks and the Zenith clone MP5. CZ and the Scorpion. Sig and the MPX. Kel-Tec Sub2K Gen2. Kriss Vector. The hard to pass up Hi-Point carbine. IMO, buy a pistol caliber carbine and might as well buy a form factor other than an AR-15.

 

[Engine49guy]

Almost a year since starting this thread and still no S&W 9mm carbine,
In that time seems the Colt 9mm flat top carbines have dropped a bit and can be found just under $1000 ,

Checked PSA's website today and while their 9mm upper lower Glock mag carbine kits can be had for around $550 ish seems all the Colt mag compatible lower units are sold out.

Still on my hit list but if S&W is listening still interested in a Sport II in 9mm

 

[snm8510]

Pistol caliber rifles: the Bruce Jenners of the firearm world

 

[sgtsandman]

This is just my opinion but if one wants to own a rifle, it should be in a rifle caliber. Pistol caliber rifles outside of a few exceptions are essentially a toy and can't reproduce the capabilities of a rifle caliber chambered rifle will. Many of those exceptions came in lever action and used the more powerful pistol calibers so that a cowboy only had to carry one round and still have the realistic expectation of being able to take down larger game.

 

[Racer X]

Hey Marlin - how about reintroducing your Camp 9 of many years ago?

Or Ruger's PC9 or PC40.

 

[hdwhit]

sgtsandman wrote:
This is just my opinion but if one wants to own a rifle, it should be in a rifle caliber. Pistol caliber rifles outside of a few exceptions are essentially a toy...

And yet there are nearly ten million rifles chambered for the M-1 Carbine ave been carried into battle or used for havesting game.

 

[NJM15]

M&P 10/15

Been tempted lately to pick up the new M&P Sport II but my last .223 carbine usually sat in the safe on range day simply because I prefer the longer site radius and feel of the standard 21" barrel USGI version for outdoor plinking .....
FF to what has kept me up at night lately... that is if S&W would offer their AR carbine chambered in 9mm at the current market price of under $600 not only would I buy one in an instant..... my guess is Im not alone in that thought.



A 9mm AR Carbine makes alot of sense to me for several reasons :
Slightly cheaper ammo that is common with handguns, more sensible for home defense with more bullet mass that has lower wall penetration especially since the new hollow point designs have improved as man stoppers causing many to return to the 9mm handgun.
(BTW 9mm is also much more forgiving on steel plate hanging targets ).

From a profit standpoint it seems the market is flooded with sub $700 AR carbines in .223 right now but Im not seeing many 9mm carbines in that price range (if any) especially with the S&W lifetime warranty.

The 9mm AR Carbine would also be much cheaper to build (shorter build time and less parts = Higher Co. profit ) since the operating system is simple blowback
(Right side 9mm bolt pictured below)


(Left side of 9mm bolt)


Simple blowback means the 9mm AR carbine does not require a gas tube, rotating bolt or locking lugs and as such makes the barrel much easier to machine at the breech, BTW it also does not require the forward assist assembly since the bolt does not lock into the barrel.

Colt simply pins a magazine adapter into their standard .223 lower mag well (pictured below) then adds a larger brass deflector,


If S&W wanted to "One up them" they could offer quick change adapters that would adapt various mags to their carbine,
In other words one adapter would accept M&P mags while another would adapt the carbine to accept Model 459/59 mags, another for CZ, another for Glock etc so the 9mm carbine could swap mags with the users choice of 9mm handgun should need arise.

A little 9mm Carbine plinking porn:
AR15 9mm - YouTube

I have both, reload my own so cost is not too much of a factor. I also have two Hi Points a .9mm and a .40. bought them to consolidate my ammo use with my handguns, an M&P 40,and 9. Sig MK 25 and 929 Smith. After several problems with them (what else is new)they were sent back and repaired, now they are dependable accurate weapons , cant be considered AR style because the action is more handgun then AR, they are not pretty to look at but do the job.
Looked at the Berretta's but got the HI points because of the cost factor. less than 300.00 ea. There are several manufacturers making pistol caliber ar type rifles out there

 

[Hoov]

Notes from the cheap seat;
9mm carbines are not cheaper to make.
There are a lot of companies making conversion parts now. Glock mags will be the industry standard.
You do not want to own anything Marlin makes right now. High Point is about the same thing.
If you have never shot a 9mm carbine, you should. Especially full auto. Or suppressed. If you have done neither, do it, then come back.

 

[petepeterson]

Hey Marlin - how about reintroducing your Camp 9 of many years ago?

I feel lucky to have one of these, due to my stack of 59 series mags. Mostly a novelty, though. Even though I'm not an AR guy, I can certainly see the utility in a 9mm AR.

 

[LAA]

You do not want to own anything Marlin makes right now.

They're slowly improving, at least for some of their products.

 

[snm8510]

And yet there are nearly ten million rifles chambered for the M-1 Carbine ave been carried into battle or used for havesting game.

And how long was the m1 carbine used as a standard issue "assault" rifle? We need to take a look at why it was made, who it was originally for, and how it ended up as a standard issue rifle and how it served that role. IMO, PCCs are more of a training weapon more than anything, for ranges that won't allow for the .223/5.56 velocities. No real cost saving factors exist for the shooter.

 

[sgtsandman]

And yet there are nearly ten million rifles chambered for the M-1 Carbine ave been carried into battle or used for havesting game.

1. I stated that it was my opinion. Everyone has theirs and to each their own.

2. The M1 Carbine was not a primary battle rifle. It was mainly issued to those in a support role and not on the front lines so that those who had them had something with a little more kick than a pistol.

3. The M1 Carbine round may be good for hunting in some situations. Like coyote and such. I wouldn't know since PA does not allow semi automatic rifles for hunting up until this year and only just permitted them to be used for small game and varmints. Until the "Fudds" stop head exploding, we probably won't see much more than that for the short term.

 

[Brian in Oregon]

This is just my opinion but if one wants to own a rifle, it should be in a rifle caliber. Pistol caliber rifles outside of a few exceptions are essentially a toy and can't reproduce the capabilities of a rifle caliber chambered rifle will. Many of those exceptions came in lever action and used the more powerful pistol calibers so that a cowboy only had to carry one round and still have the realistic expectation of being able to take down larger game.

Hunting is not the only criteria by which a rifle should be judged.

I had a Colt neutered post-ban 9mm AR15 many years ago, and initially thought as you did. But let me tell ya something, a 9mm carbine sure is a lot of fun to murder tin cans with. Would like to get another. Been hoping S&W would make a Sport II 9mm, but so far crickets.

 

[sgtsandman]

Hunting is not the only criteria by which a rifle should be judged.



I had a Colt neutered post-ban 9mm AR15 many years ago, and initially thought as you did. But let me tell ya something, a 9mm carbine sure is a lot of fun to murder tin cans with. Would like to get another. Been hoping S&W would make a Sport II 9mm, but so far crickets.

I don't have a problem with a pistol chambered carbine. I would LOVE to build an AR45. It would probably never be much more than a range toy but I would still love to have one. Also one in .45SOCOM and .45 Raptor. I just love shooting slow, heavy rounds, even if it is expensive.


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[Triathloncoach]

Love my Colt 9mm. Love me a S&W too, if they were make one.