Home Defense Combo!

[sotexas]

S&W 3.6 with light and a Marlin .44mag Carbine with Vortex Venom red dot. The 3.6 is on the nightstand with a spare magazine and the Marlin is in a corner..

 

[StrawHat]

I guess I am in the Fudd camp. For defense in my home, I prefer a handgun, specifically a revolver. Given the short distances involved and the confining spaces, they make much more sense than messing about with a longarm of some sort. Also, I am a realist, not Rambo.

"Never hunt with a gun that embarrasses the dog." Classic, and true. Push come to shove I could grab a Baker double gun but the 32" barrels are better suited to upland game than a stairway.

Kevin

 

[Rick_A]

If it's effective enough to be used for self defense...it will go through building materials as well. Most of the excuses used against a long gun are just that. Best tool for the job and all that...

Having a light of some sort is a pretty basic necessity.

Carbine->Shotgun->Handgun

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The 5.56 firearm may get suppressed at some point.

That a handgun is more maneuverable is also a moot point, as illustrated here:

I'm all for using whatever one is comfortable with, but don't confuse that with what is most effective. NOBODY shoots a handgun better than a carbine or shotgun, and no handgun comes close to being as effective.

 

[Chief Wiggums]

As I've grown older, I've adjusted my home and self defense fantasies to the value of what's left of my life to defend

And if I get outwitted by the odds and a few SUV loads of cartel gunmen with AK's pull up in front of my house, I'm toast anyways.

I love the quotes!
I will slightly edit the 2nd:
Im toast anyway , and whoever finds me will need to wade thru piles of spent brass and 12G shells...l

 

[ContinentalOp]

That a handgun is more maneuverable is also a moot point, as illustrated here:

Unless you need a free hand to guide/carry a child, open a door, stay on the phone with 911, etc.

Not to mention you don't need to move around with a handgun at full extension; you can move with a handgun in a retention or compressed ready position.

But I agree with your other points. Long guns are more effective than handguns. I just think that for most people they're better used to defend a static position, i.e. the "safe room."

 

[Chief Wiggums]

I know, I know... Neither are "serious" guns and I bought into marketing hype or whatever

dont short yourself...
I bought into the hype of the Shockwave , and Im glad that I did.
That is a dead serious shooter.
Designed for close quarters , it has more than enough capability to make a "serious statement". This is an outstanding bedroom firearm.

just as importantly , it is one of my "new favorite" guns to shoot.
dont knock it until you try it folks.
If you cant have fun w a Shockwave , several boxes of shells and all kinds of different targets (paper-cans-steel-water jugs-junk cars - ect) , well , we just cant be friends.....

 

[BAM-BAM]

Home Defense Combo:

1. Cell Phone

2. flashlight 100-200 lumens

3. electronic earmuffs

4. Handgun with a white light

5. Beretta CX4 Storm 9mm pistol caliber carbine...... 20rd magazine w/ red dot and light

While I love S&W both 3rd Gen autos and revolvers....my current home defense gun is a Beretta Centurion...... G-model with a light and 18 rd
Mec-gar flush fit magazine.

My PCC is available if I have time and can "fort up".....just 29" long and uses the same magazines as my Beretta 92

 

[jimmyj]

My Home Defense:
1. Straight Razor
2. Hand Grenade
3. Freshly soiled Depends

 

[ContinentalOp]

My Home Defense:
1. Straight Razor
2. Hand Grenade
3. Freshly soiled Depends

No concertina wire?

 

[Rick_A]

Unless you need a free hand to guide/carry a child, open a door, stay on the phone with 911, etc.

Not to mention you don't need to move around with a handgun at full extension; you can move with a handgun in a retention or compressed ready position.

But I agree with your other points. Long guns are more effective than handguns. I just think that for most people they're better used to defend a static position, i.e. the "safe room."

You can free a hand with a long gun just the same...unless one lacks strength and/or manual dexterity...which are both required to operate a pistol effectively...especially one handed.

A pistol in a retention or compressed ready is not how one should maneuver with it if a threat is imminent or expected.

To each their own...but while that sounds good in theory...it's not good in practice.

 

[Rick_A]

My Home Defense:
1. Straight Razor
2. Hand Grenade
3. Freshly soiled Depends

Fail. Needs more Claymore.

 

[Rick_A]

Here is my combo: Model 36-2 with CT overmold laser grips.

As I've grown older, I've adjusted my home and self defense fantasies to the value of what's left of my life to defend

And if I get outwitted by the odds and a few SUV loads of cartel gunmen with AK's pull up in front of my house, I'm toast anyways.

If it's all the same, I wouldn't denigrate anyone for having better options.

I personally see your home defense tool as a backup CCW piece, not a primary arm.

Your life and personal property are certainly worth what you wish them to be.

 

[Mister X]

You can free a hand with a long gun just the same...unless one lacks strength and/or manual dexterity...which are both required to operate a pistol effectively...especially one handed.

A pistol in a retention or compressed ready is not how one should maneuver with it if a threat is imminent or expected.

To each their own...but while that sounds good in theory...it's not good in practice.

You seem very certain of your opinions, I'm curious on what experience you're basing them on?

I'm not sure how you're effectively operating a long gun one handed, especially in the confines of moving through a house. I can use a handgun one handed effectively(even while performing other tasks)and quickly engage in any direction.

Utilizing compressed retention positions are exactly how you want to move through a home in many instances. You may not even know where the intruder(s) is and contact scenarios are not out of the realm of possibilities in home defense. Even if you're intent is to barricade, the potential of needing to move, needing a free hand is always there. Plus who knows where you or other family members may be in the home at the time of the intrusion.

No doubt a long gun is better ballistically, but that's not all that should be considered. Accessibility, maneuverability, weapon retention are important as well. Not very many instructors who understand the issue would actually argue a long gun is the equal of a handgun in those three areas.

 

[Rick_A]

No serious instructor would advocate the use of a sidearm over a carbine for any scenario but concealed carry.

Weapons retention is achieved through proper technique not awkward poses...and a long gun is far better in retention, equal in maneuverability to any reasonable degree, and certainly can be worse in accessibility. The main point is that a long gun is always a far superior tool for the job unless you're fighting your way out of a tiny closet.

I've trained in live fire house clearing exercises with handguns and long guns. There is no way I'd purposely choose a handgun for the task. It is infinitely more difficult to use effectively, and substantially inferior in capability.

 

[Mister X]

No serious instructor would advocate the use of a sidearm over a carbine for any scenario but concealed carry.

Weapons retention is achieved through proper technique not awkward poses...and a long gun is far better in retention, equal in maneuverability to any reasonable degree, and certainly can be worse in accessibility. The main point is that a long gun is always a far superior tool for the job unless you're fighting your way out of a tiny closet.

I've trained in live fire house clearing exercises with handguns and long guns. There is no way I'd purposely choose a handgun for the task. It is infinitely more difficult to use effectively, and substantially inferior in capability.

Apparently, there are not a lot of serious instructors out there.

What is this proper technique that makes a long gun as retainable, manueverable and functionally as effective as a handgun in ECQ?

And what are these awkward positions?

I was pretty much a specialist instructor on those types of problems for a very long time, so I'm very interested in how you came to your conclusions.

Live fire house clearing doesn't really address this problem. Gear up for some properly conducted close-quarter force-on-force and you'll quickly realize how problematic a long gun can be at contact distances.

 

[Echo40]

dont short yourself...
I bought into the hype of the Shockwave , and Im glad that I did.
That is a dead serious shooter.
Designed for close quarters , it has more than enough capability to make a "serious statement". This is an outstanding bedroom firearm.

just as importantly , it is one of my "new favorite" guns to shoot.
dont knock it until you try it folks.
If you cant have fun w a Shockwave , several boxes of shells and all kinds of different targets (paper-cans-steel-water jugs-junk cars - ect) , well , we just cant be friends.....

Thanks, but I was actually being sarcastic towards any would-be armchair commandos who criticize my choices with a whole lot of empty condescending remarks about how both are "toys" and how I and by extension everyone else in this thread should carry exactly what they do because otherwise we're just not taking our self-defense seriously. Bonus points if they follow it up with a ton of awkwardly-worded anecdotes filled with some sort of jargon that might as well be Martian because according to them; "Wunna deez dayz weer gunna git gattered by sum ganker-backers from the meen streetz packin' niner-fourty-fiverz off thair auto-scooters kickin' down the back hatch o' yer homestead while yer gettin' some sack-time at 03:00!" Or some other such barely coherent rhetoric.

I love my Shockwave and my Judge.

 

[Chief Wiggums]

Thanks, but I was actually being sarcastic towards any would-be armchair commandos who criticize my choices with a whole lot of empty condescending remarks about how both are "toys" and how I and by extension everyone else in this thread should carry exactly what they do because otherwise we're just not taking our self-defense seriously. Bonus points if they follow it up with a ton of awkwardly-worded anecdotes filled with some sort of jargon that might as well be Martian because according to them; "Wunna deez dayz weer gunna git gattered by sum ganker-backers from the meen streetz packin' niner-fourty-fiverz off thair auto-scooters kickin' down the back hatch o' yer homestead while yer gettin' some sack-time at 03:00!" Or some other such barely coherent rhetoric.

I love my Shockwave and my Judge.

Tru-that DH (sarcasm & wit is a lost art)
The "armchair" gang , both online & in real life , take constant shots at my Shockwave "toy". And bonus points for mentioning that any setup different from theirs is inferior and doesnt adhere is SD best practices.

 

[Rick_A]

Live fire house clearing doesn't really address this problem. Gear up for some properly conducted close-quarter force-on-force and you'll quickly realize how problematic a long gun can be at contact distances.

Done that, too...no different. It's foolish to choose a handgun over a suitable long gun, unless it's all one has, all one can access at the time, or all one is willing to use.

I have AR's and shotguns...and it would be stupid to not have them ready.

I don't just think you're wrong, but I think you're wrong...and you're not changing my mind.

Intermediate caliber carbine->shotgun->handgun always.

 

[Rick_A]

...And I agree with these guys on the Shockwave:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjThckYqBQ[/ame]

 

[Mister X]

Done that, too...no different

Really, where? Such classes are not very common. All mine were pretty much LEO's only.