Home Defense Combo!

[Russel H]

Home Defense Guns

As a P.O. my S&W pistol was almost always was my back up to my Remington 870, but as I've grown older I find myself reaching for my multi shot handgun. I've considered the blood, gore and holes shotguns would cause and the as*kicking I'd get from my wife. I have several handguns stashed around the house in either .380 or 9mm. All multi loaded mags and most with lasers.

 

[Rick_A]

Really, where? Such classes are not very common. All mine were pretty much LEO's only.

That insignia next to my name ain't just decoration.

 

[Mister X]

That insignia next to my name ain't just decoration.

So, that's it? Anything special beyond what everyone else who serves goes through? Such things usually aren't of high priority to military personnel in general and not even relatively so with SpecOps. Most don't consider themselves any kind of expert on the subject though. And cultivating a particular mindset is as much the intent of a lot of military Combatives training as it is developing functional skill. Nothing unique or special about it and it's all rooted in various martial arts, often times under the direction of civilian martial artists acting as consultants.

 

[LPD256]

If one wants to have a long thread here on the Forum, I guess we need to discuss:

1. Home defense choice of weapons.
2. CCW choice of weapons
3. .45 vs 9mm

What is very interesting is how many of us don't necessarily go towards a Smith&Wesson solution as our first choice a bigger % of the time.

 

[DuckBeav]

My Home Defense:
1. Straight Razor
2. Hand Grenade
3. Freshly soiled Depends

Thank you sir, I needed a good laugh today after spending 6 hours at the VA hospital!

 

[wetdog1911]

dont short yourself...
I bought into the hype of the Shockwave , and Im glad that I did.
That is a dead serious shooter.
Designed for close quarters , it has more than enough capability to make a "serious statement". This is an outstanding bedroom firearm.

just as importantly , it is one of my "new favorite" guns to shoot.
dont knock it until you try it folks.
If you cant have fun w a Shockwave , several boxes of shells and all kinds of different targets (paper-cans-steel-water jugs-junk cars - ect) , well , we just cant be friends.....

I was looking at the Shockwaves and thought the 20ga might be good for my age (pushing 71), and ability, when lo and behold, hanging on my LGS wall was a .410 version. Light, tiny, and for inside the house distances, plenty lethal and something my 85# wife could handle. She has most of the 'house' guns since she has ears like a bat and I once slept through a tornado.

I do have an older 870 Wingmaster police top folder (2 3/4"), trade in from the ISP that I joke must have been a Lt's because the only wear is where the metal top folder rests against the bbl. Got from an ad in the SGN years ago. It's great, but just too heavy and cumbersome for either of us to wield safely.

Hmmm, ought to take it up to the LGS to see about a deal with the .410 Shockwave. I've heard that those factory top folders were fetching a premium just by themselves without the gun, but, IDK.

Wet

 

[fmflorida]

Its nice seeing what everyone picks and their reasons for it.

Definitely gives me ideas and things to consider.

Plus lots of nice firearm pics to admire haha.

 

[Rick_A]

So, that's it? Anything special beyond what everyone else who serves goes through? Such things usually aren't of high priority to military personnel in general and not even relatively so with SpecOps. Most don't consider themselves any kind of expert on the subject though. And cultivating a particular mindset is as much the intent of a lot of military Combatives training as it is developing functional skill. Nothing unique or special about it and it's all rooted in various martial arts, often times under the direction of civilian martial artists acting as consultants.

Clearing rooms is an essential skill for even the most basic of infantrymen...and the fact that a carbine is both easier to shoot and more effective should be common knowledge.

The pistol caliber carbine has been essentially obsolete for decades, and a sidearm itself even moreso as a primary defensive arm.

 

[keith44spl]

What with living out on the rural route.......

I have found myself relying on an AR-15 Pistol chambered in 300 BlkOut

With twenty rounds of 200 gr sub-sonic and a tritium reflex sight.

And the every ready 45 Gov't Model

(Looking for a pic now)

.

 

[Rustyt1953]

I don't have a combo. I have three young'uns living under roof. If I'm up I have a mouse gun in my pocket. At bedtime the pistol goes in the safe and a high cap 9 comes out and goes in the nightstand.

That my game plan and I'm sticking to it.

 

[forrestinmathews]

I picked Games of Thrones swords for my home defense. It seemed so much smarter than a shockwave or snubnose. A sword will never run out of ammo. Plus I'll look like a bigger dork than those guys in the video and everyone will assume I'm living with my parents and there's nothing to steal anyhow.

 

[OLDSTER]

Main floor master bedroom.




Lower level 2nd bedroom.

 

[Echo40]

...And I agree with these guys on the Shockwave:
YouTube

I've seen this video, love how they don't actually have a Shockwave on hand so they just use a standard pistol grip shotgun and act like they're the same thing, always the makings for a proper experiment or argument.
And no, your typical vertical pistol grip is not at all the same thing as a Raptor birds head grip. The Raptor grip greatly reduces felt recoil due to the fact that the recoil force isn't directed straight back into the shooter's palm/wrist, which in turn lends itself to faster follow-up shots.

Also, when you begin testing based upon preconceptions and the whole point of the test is to prove those preconceptions correct, folks tend to inevitably reach such a conclusion.

Typically I like Ian Macallum, but this is a case of bias overpowering logic and a unilateral test performed for the sole purpose of backing up said bias.

That all being said, it's your opinion and you're welcome to it, just be aware that the test you're basing said opinion on is inadequate by default since it neither includes the firearm it is attempting to showcase the supposedly lesser capabilities of, nor does it even include a shotgun with the same grip installed.

Is the Shockwave as controllable as a Shotgun with a Shoulder Stock? Of course not. Is the Shockwave as controllable as a Shotgun with a standard pistol grip? No, it's substantially easier to control.
So yeah, if you want to make the argument that the Shockwave is more difficult to shoot than a standard Shotgun with a stock, then have at it, but it's actually far easier to handle than a Shotgun with a vertical pistol grip, as anyone who has actually fired one will attest to.

By the way, as previously stated, I chose the Shockwave over a standard Mossberg 590 because the cramped quarters of my living space would have made maneuvering a standard 590 extremely difficult to the point of it being a liability. The Shockwave on the other hand, is short enough in overall length that I can easily maneuver it around while still holding it at a ready position.

 

[Blacklion66]

Flashlights

Murphy's law "tracers work both ways" if you can't figure that out
you have no business with a gun mounted flashlight
.

 

[Blacklion66]

...And I agree with these guys on the Shockwave:
YouTube

Firing a 12 gauge without the butt against your shoulder is a experience all in its own. The average person will have a hard time getting the 2nd shot off for the simple reason they will have to look for it. pistol grip shotguns work great in the movies

 

[Blacklion66]

Tests

I've seen this video, love how they don't actually have a Shockwave on hand so they lled.

The only test that means anything is the test of a individual in a bad situation.

#1 Can you face several bad guys at close range and return fire?
#2 Can you return effective fire?

if you can't repeatedly hit a man sized target at 2 feet you will fail both 1&2

 

[Echo40]

Sounds like I'm GTG then.

 

[dmthomp32]

This has been an interesting thread. It seems the debate on home defense firearms is a never ending comparison. As there are lots of people who belong to different camps. I've been casually reading about this topic for about five years now and the honest simple answer just seems to be "use what your comfortable and proficient with". Anything else is a potential risk or compromise.

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[ContinentalOp]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2oEmPP5dTM[/ame]

 

[DuckBeav]

I've seen this video, love how they don't actually have a Shockwave on hand so they just use a standard pistol grip shotgun and act like they're the same thing, always the makings for a proper experiment or argument.
And no, your typical vertical pistol grip is not at all the same thing as a Raptor birds head grip. The Raptor grip greatly reduces felt recoil due to the fact that the recoil force isn't directed straight back into the shooter's palm/wrist, which in turn lends itself to faster follow-up shots.

Also, when you begin testing based upon preconceptions and the whole point of the test is to prove those preconceptions correct, folks tend to inevitably reach such a conclusion.

Typically I like Ian Macallum, but this is a case of bias overpowering logic and a unilateral test performed for the sole purpose of backing up said bias.

That all being said, it's your opinion and you're welcome to it, just be aware that the test you're basing said opinion on is inadequate by default since it neither includes the firearm it is attempting to showcase the supposedly lesser capabilities of, nor does it even include a shotgun with the same grip installed.

Is the Shockwave as controllable as a Shotgun with a Shoulder Stock? Of course not. Is the Shockwave as controllable as a Shotgun with a standard pistol grip? No, it's substantially easier to control.
So yeah, if you want to make the argument that the Shockwave is more difficult to shoot than a standard Shotgun with a stock, then have at it, but it's actually far easier to handle than a Shotgun with a vertical pistol grip, as anyone who has actually fired one will attest to.

By the way, as previously stated, I chose the Shockwave over a standard Mossberg 590 because the cramped quarters of my living space would have made maneuvering a standard 590 extremely difficult to the point of it being a liability. The Shockwave on the other hand, is short enough in overall length that I can easily maneuver it around while still holding it at a ready position.

I got about 1/2 way through that video and stopped. I won't put in words what I thought about it so as not to get banned!