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hotshot357
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I am currently using a S&W 3.6 with a light and have a Marlin 1894C .44 magnum carbine with a red dot in the corner
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Rastoff
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Owning a gun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.
-Col Jeff Cooper
Nifty gun though.
-Col Jeff Cooper
Nifty gun though.
A: You bought a gun.
B: You win!
B: You win!
this is on the colonel got wrong owning a gun and ammunition and combining the two to load them makes you armed.
Maybe not high on the proficiency scale but you are armed.
Becoming a good musician or good with a gun begins with getting the tools and starting to learn but in both cases you can fire a shot or strike a note.
The latest numbers I've seen reflect that there are almost 400 million guns in private ownership, and about 30% of Americans admit (key phrase) to owning at least one gun. The US population is about 330 million, so that's 110 million gun owners, at the least . . .
That statement never made a whole lot of sense to me.
THEmodelof1989
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As a guitarist and a shootist...
Simply, purchasing a firearm doesn't necassarily mean you know how to aim, how to load it, how to take the safety off, or even which end the bullets come out of. I know that last one seems a bit ridiculous, but I've been asked. Spend some time as a range master and you'll see some WILD stuff from cherry firearm owners. You're going to need to know how to aim, load, and operate your firearm before you are armed.
Buying a guitar doesn't mean you know what a chord is, much less how to play a chord. You're going to need to how to play a few of those before you're halfway to calling yourself a musician.
The Colonel only thought a person is armed with a 1911. Anything else was "less than optimal." Joe
Let me put this in perspective. If I come across a monkey with a guitar, I can guarantee I'm not getting ready to hear "Stairway To Heaven." If I come across a monkey waving a pistol about, I'm looking for cover . . .
The monkey is still armed and deadly. Haven't we heard of some dogs shooting their owners, arguably the dog is not armed since he lacks the awareness of gun ow ership... the colonel and most of you fetishists still mistake proficiency for skill with arms and violence. A lot of people are more likely to encounter armed novices who have had a lot more experience with casual violence
Rastoff
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That surprises me coming from someone with your ideas on what it takes to be prepared to defend yourself.
Here's the quote again, "Owning a gun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician." It has nothing to do with becoming an expert with any gun. It has everything to do with mindset.
Absolutely no one buys a guitar, having never played one before, and thinks they will immediately make a platinum record. Conversely, lots of people will buy a gun, having never shot one before, and think they're perfectly safe just because they have a gun.
So, they buy the gun and a box of whatever ammunition the clerk recommends. They take it home and put it in the closet and they think they're safe, because they have a gun, in the closet. It's this thought that Col Cooper is talking about. Just owning a gun does not make you safe.
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Someone carelessly pucks at the strings of a guitar, the worst that may happen is the string will snap.
Someone carelessly pulls the trigger of a gun, the worst that may happen is that someone dies.
Comparing firearms to guitars is "silly" to put it in the politest way possible.
Jeff Cooper made a lot of dubious statements based solely upon personal opinion and this is one of them.
You don't need to be an expert marksman to use a firearm effectively, you don't even have to be proficient with a firearm, you just have to be competent enough with it to know how it works so that when you pull the trigger it goes bang.
Furthermore, the average armed confrontation typically occurs within 7 yards, at that distance it's fairly difficult to miss, and believe it or not your ability to consistently hit stationary or otherwise predictably moving targets at the range isn't necessarily going to make you any better prepared for an armed confrontation than the novice who only possesses a basic understanding of how to operate their firearm, use the sights, and hit their target.
Disagree all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that your proficiency in the well-lit, safe, calm, recreational environment that is the shooting range does not translate well to a dimly lit parking lot at night or your bedroom at 3:00am when you are unexpectedly accosted/attacked and your senses are dull from surprise, fear, and other factors such as the shock from suddenly/unexpectedly transitioning from a very relaxed state such as sleep or boredom from the monotony of your everyday routine.
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Mostly agree. The thing range time and other repetitive practice (like dry fire) gives you is the ability to operate the pistol at a subconscious level so you can focus on the problem and not need focus on how to operate the tool. That concept isn't unique to self defense.
