Hot Ammo + M&P 40c = Dead Trigger

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My long-time carry pistol is my 1.0 M&P 40c, converted to .357 SIG with a Storm Lake barrel. It has been exceedingly reliable for over 16,000 rounds, and has not had a single failure in the last 4,500 rounds. I usually shoot Lawman ammo with it, but I recently bought some Sellier & Bellot .357 SIG 124g HP ammo because that's all I could find. It had no ballistic info on the box, so I went to the S&B website and found these numbers: muzzle velocity: 1476 fps; muzzle energy: 597 ft/lbs. Yikes!

Naturally, I had to check it out in my 40c, and what followed was really ugly. Over two range sessions I fired 30 rounds of S&B and had at least 7 instances of trigger failure to reset (I stopped counting), as well as 3 failures to fire. The failures to fire were due to hard primers, because my striker left a very deep dent in those primers. I consider that to be an S&B problem.

What concerned me more was the trigger failure to reset. That's a 40c problem. My guess as to the cause was that the slide was moving so fast, that somehow the trigger was not being reset. Is that a plausible explanation? After the first range session, I replaced my old recoil spring assembly with a new one, which was noticeably stiffer. I hoped that it might slow down the slide to reduce the no-reset problem. Obviously, it didn't work, so now I know not to use the S&Bs in my 40c.

I subsequently shot 40 rounds of Lawman and 10 rounds of Gold Dot (both 125g and 1350 fps) with zero problems, so I know my 40c is still working OK if it can handle those. I'll leave the super-hot .357 SIG ammo to my SIG P229. The S&Bs work just fine in it, so I do have a gun to shoot them from.

Any informed comments on why the hot S&Bs caused my failure to reset problem are welcome.
 
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Good info, thanks for sharing. I have my M&P 40c 1.0 set up just like yours. I will avoid S&B ammo in it. Actually, I generally avoid S&B because the primer pockets are so tight that I have trouble trying to reload it.
 
Thanks for the heads-up vis'-a-vis' the S&B. That is pretty hot: hotter than the other factory SD loads tested by the Lucky Gunner...

Wonder what it would be like in a full size M&P (or my FNX!)...?

Cheers!
 
How old is the 40C?

Did it chamber a round? Was the striker cocked?

Check your sear return spring.
 
How old is the 40C?

Did it chamber a round? Was the striker cocked?

Check your sear return spring.

My 40c is nearly 7 years old, but it was completely rebuilt by S&W four years ago at about 10,000 rounds. They replaced all moving parts except the extractor.

All rounds chambered. The slide cycled perfectly, but when I pulled the trigger, it went all the way back without any feeling of the striker releasing. It felt just like it does while trying to dry fire without racking the slide, so I'm assuming the striker was not cocked.

How do I check the sear return spring? I'll check it if I can do it without removing the sear, but otherwise I don't trust myself to do a detail strip without fudging things up.
 
"Sear flutter" was an issue with the earlier M&P 1.0s that could result in a dead trigger (check the Apex tactical site). I thought perhaps the hot rounds were introducing it into yours. Yours is new enough that it has the larger sear spring and plunger and the recent overhaul should have refreshed the internals.

You would have to drive out the rear roll pin to remove the sear housing and then push out the sear pivot pin. Apex has videos (or you can check YT) if you're interested in looking.

Glad you have something to shoot the S&B with. 229's are awesome.
 
I had a friend that was experiencing the same thing on an M&P that had an APEX kit in it and a bunch of rounds through the gun since the kit was installed. Finally figured out the sear spring had gotten so weak that the slide was out running the ability of the sear spring to push the sear back up into position to catch the striker. APEX sent him a new sear spring and function returned to 100%. I would look at installing a new sear spring.

Smith & Wesson M&P Sear Spring: MGW
 

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